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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 07/02/2013 : 05:09:00
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Zvaerud and the other words you refer to are the names of farms.
To make the lower case ø press the Alt key and then on the numeric keyboard type 0248. This works for most but not all.
Can you give a link which shows your question about the H? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 07/02/2013 05:11:45 |
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DAJohnson
Junior member
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2013 : 07:59:37
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In the organization of the Lutheran church in Norway, sometimes a larger segment includes multiple smaller parishes or parishes that are annexes of the larger.
Here is the description of the Østre Toten parish at www.familysearch.org:
"Contains parish registers for Hof parish with Nordli and Kapp chapels in Østre Toten clerical district. Also included Balke parish until 1831 when Balke became its own clerical district. Belonged to the combined Toten clerical district until 1825, when it was divided into Østre Toten and Vestre Toten clerical districts."
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DAJohnson
Junior member
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Posted - 07/02/2013 : 16:13:56
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| Thank you all. You have been most helpful, beyond any of my expectations! |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2013 : 16:37:47
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For the multinational characters -- If you are using a Windows based computer check out and practice with the Accessory called "Character Map" -- it can allow you to copy and paste many many different characters not found on the American keyboard. Some websites don't take the "Alt" combination well - but almost always the copy and paste from Character Map will work with those.
There is an article online meant to be helpful to most computer users -
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/Characters.html
I had an older Windows based laptop where I had to hold down TWO keys to be able to get the "Alt combination" method to work. That laptop had a smaller keyboard and I had to hold down a key labelled "FN" AND the "Alt" key in combination with the ASCII number code exactly the same as those who only had to use the single "Alt". My newer larger laptop doesn't require me to use that method anymore but it still has a key near my left pinkie (pinkie = American slang for little finger) labelled "Fn". Haven't discovered its actual use yet... hmmm and it's not mentioned in the Users Manual for the newer model. Mystery!
Oh well, copy and paste always works for me in all software I use and in all the websites I frequent. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/02/2013 : 22:25:32
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Originally posted by DAJohnson
By the way, I looked in Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_XV_of_Sweden and see that Charles the 15th of Sweden is also Charles or Carl (Carl Ludvig Eugen) or Karl IV of Norway from 3 May 1826 - 18 September 1872 in Sweden and from 1859 in Norway until his death.. so it is confusing!
You're of course right about the king!
He was King Karl the 15th in Sweden, and King Karl the 4th in Norway, at the same time.
Reason being that this Karl was the 15th King in Sweden by this name, but in Norway, he was only the 4th king named Karl.
Norway and Sweden have a long history as separate countries, but were in a joint union between 1814 and 1905.
King Carl XVI Gustav is the current king of Sweden.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 07/02/2013 22:28:48 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2013 : 23:39:56
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Marriage-1864: John Christian Jensen, age 22 (= born 1842)
Census-1865: Johan Larson age 24 (= born 1842)
Census-1880: John Johnson, 40 (= born 1840)
Census-1900: John Johnson, 59 (= born May 1841)
This must be his confirmation record:
#74 Johan Christian Jensen Karlsen Skjefstadeie
Born 12 May 1842
Christening 12 Jun 1842
Confirmation 04 Oct 1857, Østre Toten, Oppland
Parents: Oline Christiansdr & Carl Holm
Christening record:
#90, Johan Christian
Born 12 May 1842
Christening 12 Jun 1842, Østre Toten, Oppland
Illegitimate child
Parents: Carl Holm & girl Oline Christiansdr Schjefstadeie
This is a bit strange. It seems like Jens Hansen og Helene Johannesdatter Skjefstadeie possibly later adobted this boy...?
There seems to be some interesting information about the parents in the chr record, but hard to decipher...
Here is an Carl Holm (37) from Vardal, Oppland, headed for Sweden on 12 Sep 1842, only 4 months after Johan Christian was born.
Vardal is located in Gjøvik, just north of Toten.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2013 : 02:27:30
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Oline Christiansdr & Carl Holm
Parents: Carl Holm & girl Oline Christiansdr Schjefstadeie
This is a bit strange. It seems like Jens Hansen og Helene Johannesdatter Skjefstadeie possibly later adobted this boy...?
There seems to be some interesting information about the parents in the chr record, but hard to decipher...
It is peculiar & hard to read, the only situation I've seen like this when 2 men are named, is when one man was the father reported, a straw man, for another man who was the actual. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2013 : 20:10:51
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Under Notes we can read this:
"Hendes 1ste leiermaal. Opgivet af pige Tonette Risebraaten. Senere opgivet gift Mand Jens Hansen Schiefstadeie. Anmeldt for Fogden den 13de Juni 1842 efter senere Opgivelse af Musqeter Ole Gaarder."
"Her first Illegitimate child. Reported by girl Tonette Risebraaten. Married man Jens Hansen Schiefstadeie has been reported (revealed) as the childs father. Reported to the Bailiff on June 13th 1842 after a statement by Musketeer Ole Gaarder."
Thus: The girl Oline Christiansdr from Øvre (upper) Skjefstadeie initially reported garversvend (journeyman tanner) Carl Holm from Sweden as the childs father, but on the day after the christening, it was discovered that married man Jens Hansen Schiefstadeie was the childs father.
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DAJohnson
Junior member
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Posted - 08/02/2013 : 23:19:24
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You have really been digging and helpful!
John Johnson has been such a mystery.
It's no wonder that John Johnson as far as I can tell did not contact his brother and sisters in America once he got here, he changed his name and he never told his children or his grandchildren the name of his parents or where he came from other than Norway.
Thank you for the information on the various ways to make the Ø I do appreciate it. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/02/2013 : 01:14:24
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This must be his emigration:
Johan Jensen, 27 y.o.
From Østre Toten, destination Quebec. Leaving Oslo on 25 Apr 1869.
Listed as single (which must be a typo). Listed as married (and "Jonsen") here.
Thus; he emigrated a year before his wife and child. This was quite common, to save enough money to pay for their tickets.
Johan Jensen arrived Quebec on the ship Napoleon on 18 Jun 1869.
Johan Jensen lived on the same farm with his (half)-siblings for 15-20 years before emigration, so I'm pretty sure they must have met again in America. If you look for them, you might find them in La Crosse or nearby...
Anne Mathea Jensdatter (1833), Peder Jensen (1836) and Johanne Jensdatter (1839).
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DAJohnson
Junior member
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Posted - 12/02/2013 : 17:09:30
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I may be over staying my welcome on this site and inquiring further about this family but I still am trying to get my head around the situation in Norway when Johan was born and when he left Norway.
Am I asking too much to inquire further about Johan Christian Jensen's mother - Oline Christiansdr Schjefstadeie
and his father Jens Hansen Schiefstadeie ( 's antecedents)? Their parents and their parent's parents, or don't records go back that far? How far do the the records of the Lutheran Church go back???
And if you can't help me, what databases should I go to? I am afraid I have no language skills in Norwegian.
How many "farms" were there in Østre Toten and what were their sizes, and what does "cottagers" mean? And who assigned the farm acreage? And did the newly weds live with their parents, those of either the wife's or the husband's since there was no other place for them to go? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/02/2013 : 18:12:28
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The challenge in locating Johan's mother is that not much info is given about her in the christening record of her son, only "Oline Christiansdr Schjefstadeie"
From that, we know that her father must be named Christian something, and that she lived on the farm Schjefstadeie in June 1842. It doesn't mean she was born there, or can be found there in a census. But she must have lived there in 1842. And we don't know her age.
This confirmation record looks promising:
Confirmation: Sunday 05 Oct 1834, Østre Toten, Oppland
Name: Oline Christiansd.
Residence: Skjefstadeie
Christened: 18 Jul 1819
Vaccinated: 1822
Father: Christian Olsen
Residence: Seierstadeie
Mother: Ragnild Gabrielsdatter
Residence: Seierstadeie
#44, right page.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/02/2013 : 20:39:51
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Olena's baptismal record is #96. Born June 24 1819.
Her parents Christian Olsen, Sodstad and Ragnild Gabrielsdatter, Sodstad were married Dec 27 1811, see next to the last record in 3rd column.
Olena's siblings:
Maria, bapt Jan 10 1813,
Johane, born Sept 21 1823, #192,
Chrestine, born July 12 1828, #58.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/02/2013 : 21:19:09
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A candidate for Ragnild Gabrielsdatter may be the one born Febr 19 1786, 7th record in left column. Parents Gabriel Kielsrud and Marthe Olsdatter.
Parents in 1801.
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John Johnson (Helfstad?) & Family
