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DAJohnson
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 Posted - 20/02/2013 : 03:07:13
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Earlier I was given information that 3 of Johan Jensen's half siblings had emigrated to America before him. I think I have found Peder (Petter Jensen, age 28) passage on the bark Balder, emigrating in 1865 but have yet to find him in America; but have found neither sister: 1861 - Johanne Jesdatter Skjefstadeie, b. 28 Dec. 1839
or 1857 - Anne Mathea Jesndatter Skjefstadeie, born 24 April 1833
I really am trying to find out - had either sister had married a Hansen or Hanson? and where can I find their passage information?
because there is a young boy, Eddie Hanson, age 4, buried in Johan Jensen's burial plot in La Crosse Wisconsin, and the cemetery has no other information on him, other than that his burial was on June 28, 1886 and he had diptheria. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2013 : 15:45:44
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Was the cemetery associated with a particular local church? If so, look for the old death/burial records of that congregation.
You could also see if death records were kept by the county.
Either of those could be hoped to have kept some notation of that young boy's parent(s). You just have to find them and use them. |
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DAJohnson
Junior member
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Posted - 20/02/2013 : 16:20:10
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There is no church record. The cemetery does not confine itself to any one religion. I have gotten copies sent to me by the cemetery of all the information they have and they are as puzzled as I am.
Did either of the sisters of Johan marry a Hanson? before they left Norway?
Can you tell me what ship they sailed on and what was its destination? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2013 : 16:37:15
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| Did John Johnson own the whole lot where the Eddie burial occured? |
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DAJohnson
Junior member
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Posted - 20/02/2013 : 16:39:09
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I have also checked telephone directories for La Crosse, with the city and county clerk for death registration, and the newspaper for obituaries.
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DAJohnson
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Posted - 20/02/2013 : 17:23:20
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Yes, I have a copy of the Deed: John Johnson "Helfstad or Skelfstad" purchased for Section 29, Lot No. 887 and paid for it on 16 January, 1882 for $8.00.
Ole Peter is buried there in 1882, as are Johan (John) 1920, and his wife, Helena, 1916, and there is a marker for son, Andrew with only his birth year - 1871.... although his is still alive in 1920...and then there is the burial of Eddie Hanson ??? in 1886.
The lot purchased was a 10' x 8' plot and the map, with the layout of the lots, sent to me by the cemetery shows it is not divided, but is the sole property of John Johnson.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/02/2013 : 17:42:15
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Eddie doesn't necessarily have to be related. Perhaps the Johnsons were being "Good Samaritans" for the Hansons, giving them a spot for their baby?
If you want to explore the sisters and using Eddie b. abt 1882 as a clue, you assume that one of them might be alive. Given that you know their birth dates, look for women whose last name is Hanson, with their first name and birth info in the 1880 census.
Maybe there was more than one Andrew in the family as well and he was memorialized with a cenotaph (marker but no burial)? |
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DAJohnson
Junior member
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Posted - 20/02/2013 : 21:10:35
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Thank you, but I really have tried all that you suggest already.
That is why I had come back to this site for help.
I have gone through Wisconsin, Mid-west states, and Federal Censuses for Anne Mathea Jansdatter or Anne Mathea Hansen/Hanson or Anne M. Hanson, or Anne M. Johnson, etc. using birthdates and departure years from Norway - from 1870's through 1920's and have done the same with Johanne/Joanne Jensdatter; and have searched for Petter/Peder/Peter Jensen, Johnson, Johnsen and have only found (? unsure?) Petter Jensen arriving in Quebec.
You are correct in that the family may have been providing space for a family they were friendly with, and not related to, and if that is the case, then so be it...I searched the City Directories for neighbors by the name, Hanson, and also checked the Lumber Yard/sawmill where John Johnson worked to see if a "Hanson" be a working associate, and have checked the list of firemen John worked with for 2 years but there was no "Hanson."
So... I guess that is my dead end.
Many thanks for the suggestions, though. |
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jwiborg
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2013 : 22:13:56
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| And you studied through the death records of LaCrosse Co. WIS? |
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DAJohnson
Junior member
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Posted - 21/02/2013 : 00:04:19
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I have done it in several ways that are available to me, short of traveling 1000 miles to LaCrosse. I have used Ancestry.com and the digitized records of the Wisconsin Vital Records site and the La Crosse Library Archives for deaths and cemetery burials.
I do not know what names to use for Johan's sisters to really check on them, but I have searched for Peter/Peder/Petter Jenson/Johnson/Jensen and Eddie Hanson and Andrew Johnson with no success. I can write to the LaCrosse County Clerk as another possibility, but a person is supposed to have some information besides a name and birth date... a possible death year, at least...
Thank you, "Hopkins" and Jan Peter.. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/02/2013 : 00:14:26
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What township in La Crosse is Eddie Hanson buried in? Have you checked the Hanson's in that township in census-1880, to look for possible parents?
Johanne Jensdatter Skjefstadeie have the word "Altona" listed next to her on this emigrant translation page.
Not sure what it refer to? Could Altona refer to a township in the US? E.g. Altona, Pipestone, MN or Altoona, Eau Claire, WIS?
Edit: Altona is a place in Østre Toten as well, where they were born... It actually says "confirmed 1855 Altona"...
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/02/2013 : 00:36:21
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| The LDS Family History Library catalog shows that they have microfilm copies of original records of the Bureau of Health Statistics in Madison, Wisconsin (68 reels of microfilm to cover 1862-1907 for counties Adams through Wood. That might be interesting to check. |
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DAJohnson
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Posted - 21/02/2013 : 03:21:43
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Altona could be a town ... one in the state of Indiana, Iowa, New York, (probably 20 in the United States) and there is an Altoona north of La Crosse about 100 miles near Eau Claire Wisconsin...I will dig further into the Altona angle..
La Crosse is not divided into "townships" but it does have "wards" that are really not discernible pjysically except as units from which one elects public officials (aldermen) to represent them in the city government... La Crosse is a small city of about 60,000 people....and is the largest city (and is the official "county seat" which means the city of La Crosse houses the administrative buildings and governing units for the county and the county records and the city records.
I will pursue the State and LDS records. Thank you.
There are a number of small cities or towns within La Crosse County. The state of Wisconsin is comprised of about (i'm guessing at this!) 60 counties and within each county there are towns and cities. The cemetery that Eddie Hanson is buried in is Oak Grove Cemetery and it is in the city of La Crosse and the city of La Crosse is where John Johnson and his wife and family lived and worked.
The Bureau of Health Statistics in Madison, Wisconsin, also has those records, I understand, and I have written and paid for the information to be transcribed from them on marriages, but on-line they first indicated that they held such a record. |
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DAJohnson
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Posted - 02/03/2013 : 16:22:15
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No luck with Altona; I think your idea that it was a city/area in Oppland is correct and it is not a place to which she was traveling.
No luck on a Peder or Peter or Petter Johnson or Jensen either or either sister.
Thanks for all your work. I have learned an amazing amount about our ancestors and about Norway in this forum. |
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