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DAJohnson
Junior member
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 Posted - 25/03/2013 : 21:33:03
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Thank you all. This is not becoming a family tree. It is more like a forest! But "great" nonetheless.
I have looked up all the census information and it does appear that Jens & Helene Hansen came about 1869 and lived with their daughter, then perhaps alone, then with their son, Peter...
but all in Nicollet Monnesota...
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/03/2013 : 22:21:11
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Where did these people live? Would be nice to ID them with full name... 
It shows, excluding the half brother, that Jens had 8 children:
Mrs. Lewison
Nora Rolfstad
Johanna Lundholm (married 1863 to Sven)
Mrs. Baladin
Hans
Mathia Davidson
Anna Johnson
Seide Peder Jensen (Peter Johnson)
I've found these children to Jens Hansen & Helene Johansdr:
Hans Jensen, born 14 Feb 1828, chr 03 Apr 1828
Johannes Jensen, born 17 Jan 1830, chr 28 Feb 1830
Anne Mathea Jensdr, born 24 Apr 1833, chr 23 Jun 1833, emigrated 01 Jul 1857.
Peder Jensen, born 18 May 1836, chr 17 Jul 1836, emigrated 29 Apr 1865.
Johanne Jensdr, born 28 Dec 1839, chr 01 Nov 1840, emigrated 13 Apr 1861. (Johanna Lundholm, Saint Peter, Nicollet, MN)
Johan Christian Jensen, born 12 May 1842, chr 12 Jun 1842, emigrated 25 Apr 1869. (illegitimate)
Helene Marie Jensdr, born 31 Jan 1844, chr 02 Jun 1844
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Dougj
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 25/03/2013 : 22:31:31
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| The only two that I know for certain of are Peter and Johannes.(Lundholm) both lived in Lake prairie Nicollet county Mn. Lundholms moved to Makato area (which is about an hour or so away to the SE I believe. However with these birth dates we may be able to find where the others lived. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 25/03/2013 : 23:08:53
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This looks like Anne Mathea Jensdr, although birthyear is 3 years off, and imigration year is 1 year off.
Name: Mathilda Davidson
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1900
Event Place: ED 205 St. Peter city Ward 1, Nicollet, Minnesota, United States
Birth Date: Apr 1836
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 42
Marriage Year (Estimated): 1858
Mother of how many children: 1
Number of Living Children: 1
Immigration Year: 1856
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head M Davidson M 77 Norway
Wife Mathilda Davidson F 64 Norway
Son David Davidson M 28 Minnesota
Boarder Chas Johnson M 28 Minnesota
Census-1880 name her Matilda Davidson born abt 1837, which is also a bit off... 
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Dougj
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 25/03/2013 : 23:33:35
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| Yes, but I think your bang on. chas Johnson was my grandfather. He was born 1872 - so his age is exactly right.. |
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
42 Posts |
Posted - 25/06/2013 : 00:49:51
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Hi,
Don't know why I did not see this conflicting information before, but hope you can help. In one part of the forum discussion this was the information provided regarding Helene Christiansdatter and 3 year old her son - Ole Peder- emigating from Norway and arriving in the US:
1870 to 1893 Helene His Daughter f approx. 1834, the daughter of Hans Christiansen. Married 23 February 1864 Johan Jensen Skjefstadeie. There are indications that he was already in America. John and Helen had a son Hans Christian f 11 dec. 1866 not mentioned by emigration.
Emigration with 1 child:
1870 to 1894 1 Ole Peter Johansen f 24th May 1864 Skjeftadeie
1870/93-94 traveled from E. Toten. The steamer "Hero" 22 April To Milwauce. Shipping paid in America. (Emi4-p257)
Later I was given this information...
Helene Hansdtr (39) and her child Ole Peter (3) arrived Quebec on the ship Hibernian on 09 May 1870.
Jan Peter
Both can't be correct. On the second information there was no reference database to search, but still, it would be helpful to know which is correct. Thanks for any help.
I am enjoying looking over all the information you provide in the forums and on your site. I have recommended it to several "stumped" Norwegian ancestry seekers.
Darlene Johnson
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 25/06/2013 : 01:08:44
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Whoops....I mean Helene (would she be called Hansdatter) not Christian's datter??? but I am still talking about the same person.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 25/06/2013 : 01:12:59
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| I'm not so sure that it's a conflict. I don't believe the Hero was a trans Atlantic ship but a feeder ship. The Hibernian was the trans Atlantic ship. So two legs of the same journey, one from Norway to someplace in Great Britain and one from port in Great Britain to North America. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/06/2013 : 01:33:45
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Have someone done a Google translate on Helene's last name?
It's not "Helene His Daughter", but "Helene Hansdatter". 
"Hans" mean "his" if used as pronouns, but in this case its a name...
The feeder ship Hero took them from Christiania [Oslo] via Christiansand [Kristiansand] to Hull, England. From there they took the train to Liverpool, where they boarded the Hibernian. S/S Hibernian left Liverpool on April 27th, arriving Quebec May 9th.
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JaneC
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USA
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/06/2013 : 02:00:00
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
42 Posts |
Posted - 25/06/2013 : 04:44:46
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Okay. 2 ships.
Interesting. That is very helpful. Thank you.
Neat map! Need a third red line though...
The trip from Quebec to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, would be by a third ship, I take it...As yet still unknown.
Then the information about their arriving in Milwaukee Wisconsin on the Hero is wrong, and explains the conflict of the dates...(arriving in Milwaukee before arriving in Quebec).
And the information gleaned from an earlier posting saying the passage was paid for in America that went along with it ,,, would that be wrong too??? Or, since they took the train across England, perhaps there was something similar from Canada to her destination, La Crosse, Wisconsin...
The Helene "His daughter" came about when I was at the website as posted in the forum earlier; I went to it regarding the ship's voyage and had it do an automatic translation from Norwegian into English. It is Hansdatter, according to the orginal entry on the website.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 25/06/2013 : 10:55:49
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Originally posted by JaneC
NOTE: It seems Jan Peter and I were posting at the same time. :D
No worries. Thanks for the link to the 1869 map of the Allen Line route. I wasn't aware of that the ships went through the Strait of Belle Isle when headed for Quebec, but it is of course a much shorter route, than going south of Newfoundland.
This article; Concerning Emigration?, was posted in the Norwegian "Billed-Magazin" in spring of 1869.
It decribes several routes to the west, and how to cross Lake Michigan.
See also this topic.
By 1870, I'm not sure if Chicago could be reached by train from Quebec?
1887 map of Grand Trunk Railroad
Read more about the Grand Trunk Western Railroad here.
The norwegian record for Helene Hansdatter says that her ticket was paid for in America, so that is most definitely correct. Her family didn't have funds enough to pay for all 3 tickets, so Johan Jensen Skjefstadeie emigrated first, and started working in America to begin saving up money to pay for the tickets for his wife and child. A woman in Norway without paid income (e.g. housewife) would have problems paying for such a ticket herself. Close relatives in America would work for months, sometimes up to a year, before they could go to the agency and prepay a ticket. The same agency had offices in Norway, and would be informed about the payment.
Read more about the Allan Line (which S/S Hibernian was a part of) here.
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 25/06/2013 : 20:35:59
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| Really good articles, especially -- Concerning Emigration? Good information all in all. Thank you! And the Grand Trunk Railroad route makes sense for Helene. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/06/2013 : 22:01:57
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I'm a bit confused after reading the "Concerning Emigration" article from 1869 again. I can't find any other article on the internet that says that there was a railway connection between Port Huron and Chicago in 1870.
List of Michigan railroads
Grand Trunk Railway history
1855: Quebec - Montreal was connected.
1856: Montreal - Toronto was connected.
1859: Toronto - Sarnia was connected, incl a ferry service across the St. Clair River to Port Huron.
1880: Port Huron - Chicago was connected.
See also this article; Immigrants to Canada
To reach Milwaukee from Quebec in 1870, Helene Hansdatter could chose between the train and a steamer from Quebec to Toronto.
Then continue by train to Sarnia/Port Huron, and from there take a steamer directly to Milwaukee.
The steamers from Port Huron went to Green Bay, Milwaukee and Chicago.
I believe she could also have taken the train to Grand Haven, and then by boat to Milwaukee, but I'm not sure when the Port Huron - Detroit - Grand Haven line was opened.
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