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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
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 Posted - 22/03/2013 : 02:00:11
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Okay, good people, I am going to "go for broke" as the saying goes... and if you can help, I would really appreciate it.
Can anyone help me "go back further"... to locate information on John Johnson's father's - Jens Hansen Schiefstadeie's - father and mother? To give you target on Jens Hansen's birth, according to Doug, his father died when he was about 88 years of age in 1890, which would mean he was born about 1802 and one living relative of Doug who knew of Jens Hansen knew him as Jens Hansen (hesthagen). He apparently left Norway, it is believed with his wife, Helene Johannesdatter, also, to live in Nicolett, Minnesota USA, and was on the state census record there in 1885 and he is listed there as 84 years of age (which could mean he was born in 1801). He does not appear in any census that I could find before or after; and his wife was not on any at all...
Doug has the Norseland Lutheran Church Book but it doesn't give any further information about Jens Hansen either.
I am going to search the ship's records to see if I can locate the passage from Norway to America for Jens & his wife Helene; it would have to be before 1885 to get him on the 1885 census living in Nicollet with his son, Peder (Peter) Johnson.
DarleneJ
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 23/03/2013 : 11:59:16
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Not sure about this, since Schjefstadeie is located in Østre Toten, Oppland, but here is a marriage record from Sem, Vestfold:
#11 Jens Hansen Hestehagen (23) & Hellene Hansdr Emmerød (23)
Marriage: 11 Jun 1830, Sem, Vestfold, Norway
His father: Hans
Her father: Hans
Vestfold county, Sem, Parish register (official) nr. I 5 (1825-1842), Marriage records 1830, page 408-409.
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 23/03/2013 : 20:32:13
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Thank you Jens Peter. The Hestehagen is interesting an interesting suggestion given what DougJ's relative said... the year / age of the groom - 23 instead of 27 or 28 years old in 1830 - ? Hard to say. But thank you for the digging...
I have no idea how extensive the Lutheran Church Records are or the difficulty one has to find anything in them, but I really appreciate your search.
DarleneJ |
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 23/03/2013 : 20:35:07
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| Sorry, Jan Peter...Jens is on the brain. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 23/03/2013 : 22:18:17
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The above marriage from Sem, Vestfold must be a namesake.
Here are your folks in Østre Toten, Oppland, census-1865.
Jens Hansen (63), farmer, born Vestre Toten, Oppland
Helene Johansdr (60), his wife, born Østre Toten, Oppland
Helene Marie Jensdr (22), their daughter, born Østre Toten, Oppland
Residence: Hestehagen, Østre Toten, Oppland
Jan Peter
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/03/2013 : 13:27:31
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#6, Jens Hansen Holte (25) & Helene Johansdr Overnengen (27)
Marriage: 17 Jan 1828, Østre Toten, Oppland, Norway
His best man: Ole Dystest.
Her best man: Niels Raddum
Oppland county, Østre Toten, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1827-1839), Marriage records 1828, page 183.
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 25/03/2013 : 02:04:35
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Thank you again. If DougJ hasn't seen it, I will pass it along. If they were in their 60's during that census, then they really were pretty old when they left Norway for America...
I have not been able to find them since the information on passengers beyond what you have on your website is pretty scattered and I have not found Jens & Helene on the same ship after searching quite a number of them that came into port in the 1880's ... and I would assume, perhaps wrongly they would have traveled together...
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 25/03/2013 : 10:25:47
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Not sure if you have seen these departure police lists from the Digitalarkivet. The greatest likelihood is that your folks went through Oslo:
Emigrants, registers
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Østfold Emigrants from Fredrikstad 1883-1890
Oslo Emigrants from Oslo 1867-1930 old
Emigrants from Kristiania 1871-1930 new
Emigrants from Kristiania 1867-1927 addition
Vestfold Emigrants from Sandefjord 1904-1921
Emigrants from Larvik 1887-1930
Aust-Agder Emigrants from Arendal 1903-1930
Vest-Agder Emigrants from Kristiansand 1873-1930
Rogaland Emigrants from Stavanger 1903-1928
Emigrants from Stavanger 1825-1970
Hordaland Emigrants from Bergen 1874-1930
Møre og Romsdal Emigrants from Ålesund 1878-1930
Emigrants from Kristiansund 1882-1930
Sør-Trøndelag Emigrants from Trondheim 1867-1930
Troms Emigrated from Målselv and Bardu 1867-1930
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 25/03/2013 : 17:16:56
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| Doug just emailed and said he found Jens Hanson & E. Johannesdatter in the Minnesotal 1875 census, so I am looking for them on ships "too late" for them to be on those ships! thanks. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/03/2013 : 18:56:16
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Census-1880 for Granby, Nicollet, Minnesota:
Louis Johnson 51, Norway, Self (Head)
Mary Johnson 37, Norway
John Johnson 11, Minnesota
Anna Johnson 9, Minnesota
James Hansen 79, Norway (Jens Hansen)
Helena Hansen 80, Norway (Helene Johansdr)
Mary Johnson (37) looks to be their daughter Helene Marie Jensdr, who lives with them in the 1865-census.
#70, Hellene Marie
Born 31 Jan 1844
Christening 02 Jun 1844, Østre Toten, Oppland, Norway
Parents: Jens Hansen Skjefstadeye & Eline Johansdr. Skjefstadeye
Godparents:
Haagen Skjefstad
Haagen Skjefstad's wife Agnete Skjefstad
Johan Skjefstad
Lars Skjefstadeye
Tonette Skjefstad
Oppland county, Østre Toten, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1840-1847), Birth and baptism records 1844, page 37.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 25/03/2013 : 19:41:40
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Have you seen Jens Hanson (68) & Ellen Hanson (69) in census-1870 for Nicollet County, Minnesota, USA ?
It seems like Jens, wife Helene and daughter Helene Marie emigrated 1866-1869.
Could it be them?
Passenger list 1866 - ship Olaf
Departure: Christiania 22 APR 1866
Arrival: Quebec 09 JUN 1866
Jens Hansen Skjefstadhagen adult m*
!! !! Skjefstadhagen* adult f* wife
Jan Peter |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 25/03/2013 : 20:12:28
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1866/29
Jens Hansen Skjefstadhagen
NN kone
Hans Skjefstadhagen, far
Med fregatten «Olaf», fra Christiania 22. april: Jens Hansen Skjefstadhagen, adult,m, !! !! Skjefstadhagen, adult, f, wife, Hans !! Skjefstadhagen adult, m, father. Det har ikke lykkes å identifisere ovenstående personer fra Skjefstadhagen.
With the ship «Olaf», departure Christiania 22. april: Jens Hansen Skjefstadhagen, adult,m, !! !! Skjefstadhagen, adult, f, wife, Hans !! Skjefstadhagen adult, m, father. We have not succeeded in indentifying these 3 people from Skjefstadhagen.
"We" are http://slektshistorielaget.no who is a heritage database from Toten, Oppland. You could try to contact them on toten.emigrant@gmail.com
Hans Skjefstadhagen is listed as father, and could be Jens' father. Jens would be about 65; thus if this is the correct ppl, Hans would be in his 80's or 90's...
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Dougj
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 25/03/2013 : 20:34:47
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| I believe you are probably right. In a family tree that my father got from his first cousin in New ulm mn, it had above Jens hansen - Hans, but nothing else after it as she did not have any other information |
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Dougj
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 25/03/2013 : 20:46:04
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| Also Jan, and Darlene when you read this, It shows in this tree that there is possibly a son Hans. It shows,excluding the half brother, that Jens had 8 children. It shows the names as follows Mrs. Lewison, Nora Rolfstad, Johanna Lundholm(married 1863 to Sven)Mrs. Baladin, Hans, Mathia Davidson, Anna (johnson) Seide Peder Jensen (peter Johnson) |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 25/03/2013 : 21:19:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Dougj
I believe you are probably right. In a family tree that my father got from his first cousin in New ulm mn, it had above Jens hansen - Hans, but nothing else after it as she did not have any other information
We know for sure that Jens' father was named Hans. If not; Jens would not have a lastname of Hansen. Likewise, you know that Helene Johansdr's father was named Johan... 
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John Johnson (Helfstad?) & Family
