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livtjern
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 Posted - 14/05/2013 : 22:50:13
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Date of arrival: 15. February 1923 from Norway.
Ship of travel: Tivives.
Ports of departure: Kingston, Cristobal, Columbian Ports.
Manifest line number: 0021.
I don't know where in Norway he was from, but I'm looking for a one Martin Johansen, born ca 1885/1886 from Hedmark in Norway.
Can some help me?
Maybe some over there can find something about him? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/05/2013 : 23:51:14
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Can you please say more about "your" Martin Johansen? His parents or children or siblings? Was he a cook? Was he a seaman? How do you know he exists?
Ellis Island website, Passenger Manifest
First Name: Martin
Last Name: Johansen
Ethnicity: Norway, Norwegian
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Feb 15, 1923
Age at Arrival: 39 Gender: M Marital Status:
Ship of Travel: Tivives
Port of Departure: Kingston, Cristobal, Colombian Ports
Manifest Line Number: 0021
This Martin Johansen is a member of the ship's crew. His job is 2nd cook.
The manifest does not say where he is from (just "Norway"). It does not say his birth date.
There is more than one Martin Johansen in the USA, born ca 1885/1886 in Norway.
Is this your Martin, below?
Do you have a reason to believe your Martin immigrated to USA?
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From Family Search Website
Name: Martin Johansen
Gender: Male
Event Date: 14 Feb 1886
Event Place: Vang, Hedmark, Norway
Birth Date: 24 Dec 1885
Father's Name: Ole Johansen
Father's Age: 1850
Mother's Name: Margrete Johansdatter
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livtjern
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Norway
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Posted - 16/05/2013 : 00:42:46
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I found him at Ellis Island and he is the same that you found. My Martin Johansen worked in Våler, Hedmark at two farms, and in 1920 he got one daughter without marriage with a lady Olga, and in 1922 he got one daughter with a lady Olaug without marriage. In the churcbook it's standing that he was from Rendalen and Tolga, born in 1885/1886. I just find one Martin J. there, but he was married and had family.
Martin J. was not marry and I have looked after him in the churchbook about marriage, dead etc, and another place around Våler. Yesterday I found "your" Martin Johansen at Ellis Island and I wonder if it can be him, pga. he emigr. in 1923 and his age was 39 year (born ca 1885/86). I don't know, will just chech out. It had be fun if you or some had find out where he lived after the emigrations!
Martin Johansen was grandfather of a lady I'm helping to find her relatives. Thank you for the help! |
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AntonH
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/05/2013 : 02:17:32
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Okay, so you begin with a daughter of Martin Johansen. You want to know more about her father. You don't know if he emigrated or not.
Correct?
Let's ignore the Martins in the USA (for the moment) and follow the trail in Norway, as lyndal40 is doing.
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AntonH
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livtjern
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Posted - 16/05/2013 : 23:50:40
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It's right, it's his two daughters, and Klara was the mother to her I'm helping!
I've looked for MJ (that yoy have lyndal40) at the census 1910, too, but he did marry before 1920 and I've found his family, and he lived at Løten, Hedmark all his life, but he was born in Ytre Rendalen, (but I'm not sure about him), he and his parents and brothers and sisters moved to Løten before 1900. I 've contact with MJ's "steph-grandchild", but she don't belive that he was the father of the two girls, but he did work in Våler in the forest. I've just send a photo of Klara to her, and waits for an answer.
When MJ's two daughters did christening, he was not marry (churchbook). This is a puzzle! I've looked for another MJ who should be born ca 1885-87 in Hedmark, but they are not so many. Maybe he used his fathers surname? Must look after that to, I think.
Thank you both for helping! |
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livtjern
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Posted - 16/05/2013 : 23:53:51
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| I belive MJ was the same man who was the father of the both girls! But at the first girl he was from Rendalen and the youngest girl, he was from Tolga. It's not good to know what he said, or papers he had that time about himself. |
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/05/2013 : 03:38:16
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| I have a question for you. Do you have evidence that Martin Johansen ever emigrated to Anerica. |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/05/2013 04:20:44 |
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AntonH
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/05/2013 : 22:56:27
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Originally posted by lyndal40
I have a question for you. Do you have evidence that Martin Johansen ever emigrated to Anerica.
She needs to answer - but from the above it seems she has no evidence that Martin emigrated to America. It was just an idea, because she could not find him in Norway. |
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livtjern
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Norway
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Posted - 18/05/2013 : 00:56:11
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I have not an evidence that "my" MJ emigrated to USA, but I found one at Ellis Island, and i belive that he was from Vang, Hedmark in Family Search website who you, JaneC found 15.05. kl 19.26.03.
Also: I helps a woman, her mother was Klara Helene, b: 11. September 1920, (christening 1. January 1921) i Våler (in Solør), Hedmark, Norway, parents: lumberjack Martin Johansen, born 1885 and Olga Solberg, b: 1886. Girls, nr 2 at the link you can see her christening:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=39716&uid=ny&idx_side=-34
Bornregister, nr. 49 (girls) you can see her again:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=69&uid=229324&urnread_imagesize=full&hode=nei&ls=1&lc=x%259CK%25B42%25B2%25AA.%25B62%25B4R%25CAT%25B2.%25B62%25B1R2140%25061%2581B%25C5J%25D6%2599Vf%2596%25D6%25B5%2500%25BF%253A%2509%25B9
I belive Klara's father was father of Else Ingeborg, too: links: nr. 12 (girls):
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=94&uid=229324&urnread_imagesize=full&hode=nei&ls=1&lc=x%259CK%25B42%25B2%25AA.%25B62%25B4R%25CAT%25B2.%25B62%25B1R2140%25061%2581B%25C5J%25D6%2599V%2596%2526%25D6%25B5%2500%25BF7%2509%25B7
Nr: 11 (girls):
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=55&uid=230067&urnread_imagesize=big&hode=nei&ls=1&lc=x%259CK%25B42%25B2%25AA.%25B62%25B4R%25CAT%25B2.%25B62%25B5R2%25B6474%2503%25B1%2581b%25C5J%25D6%2599V%25A6%25A6%25D6%25B5%2500%25C9L%2509%25F7
Else Ingeborg did marry to Germany, don't know so much about her, have heard that she had a daughter who lives there some place.
I belived (belives) that Martin Johansen Karlstad (Løkken) at the census 1900 and 1910 was the father of this girls, but he was marry and had a famliy, lived at Løten, not so far from Våler, and he was a lumberjack, too, and worked in Våler, said his "steph-grandchild", but she don't belive that he was father of Klara Helene and Else Ingeborg. I have send a photo of Klara Helene to her and I'm still waiting for answer from her.
If Martin J. Karlstad not is the father, who can be that? Because I'm not sure, I have to searsch another place, as emigrations etc.
I hope that the links is right, have just learn to put that in this forum. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/05/2013 : 02:53:36
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Thank you Liv for all the informatin an some of d the links worked very well. I think you are probably correct that the Martin Johansen that I found is hot the father of your Klara Helene. Perhaps this is the father of the two girs in Våler. See number 27.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6045&idx_id=6045&uid=ny&idx_side=-86
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Martin Johansen, Norway, born 1885
