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Fliptaylor
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Australia
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 Posted - 19/05/2013 : 04:01:20
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Hi There,
I am researching the family history of my partner and have hit a bit of roadblock and I havent gone all that far back.
I am looking for records on Frederik Svendsen born I believe around 1890 or so he married Emilie Olsen also believe to be born in the 1890's they had at least 2 children, both boys, one was Gunnar Svendsen born 2 Feb 1914 who came to Australia 2/3/1940 on the ship MS Brand broke his foot and stayed here in Australia.
I am unsure of the 2nd childs name but I believe that they were all born in Oslo, not sure of the parish though.
Can anyone help me with any information or any tips on finding this information? I am relatively new at this and dont really know how to proceed.
ETA: Not sure if this helps but my partner apparently still has relatives in Norway, it is believed that one of his cousins owns a hotel/pub.
Thanks
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Edited by - Fliptaylor on 19/05/2013 04:05:48 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2013 : 12:57:03
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Your Gunnar Svendsen was most likley a sailor on M/S Brand owned by Borgestad shipping company.
M/S Brand was sunk by German submarine U 6002 Mai 1943.
2 Norwegians and an English gunner were killed, link
I could not find any crewlist "Mannskapsliste" from M/S Brand or from the company hoping to find out where Gunnar Svendsen was from in Norway.
Borgestad still exist.
They have a guest book, but I am not sure if it is managed by the company.
link
Navn (Name)
E-post adress
Beskjed (Message) and post
Homepage for Borgestad, perhaps someone can help you.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 19/05/2013 13:01:14 |
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Fliptaylor
New on board
Australia
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Posted - 19/05/2013 : 14:12:52
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Thank you very much for your response, I have looked through some records on the MS Brand which I found on a warships website, Gunnar broke his foot and was left behind in Australia in 1940 before the Brand joined the war and was subsequently sunk, I found a crew list for it but it was at the time of sinking so Gunnar would not have been on it.
I will send a message to Borgestad and see if anyone can shed any light for me!
Thanks heaps! |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2013 : 15:39:06
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If we had the exact birth day for the parents we would have find them both in the 1910 census.
I could not find them in the 1923 census for Oslo, but I think it´s is not complete yet.
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 20/05/2013 10:31:43 |
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Fliptaylor
New on board
Australia
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Posted - 20/05/2013 : 01:53:50
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| Thanks Kaarto I will endeavour to find the dates of birth, none of the family members here know anything about them, I only know about them as they were listed on Gunnars death certificate, he passed in 1974, his wife passed in 1978 and his only child passed in 1985 so I am not really sure how to proceed. The only real family members left here are my partner and his mother. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 20/05/2013 : 20:40:03
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They were probably not married 1910, but after ca 1913 we are also looking for Fredrik and Emilie Svendsen.
Fredriks father was Svend ?? and Emilies father was Ole ??
Emilie Olsen born between 1888-92 in the 1910 census.
Emile Olsen, born, and parish:
- Jan. 27. 1890, Tune/Borge
- Sept. 28. 1888, Idd
- July 7. 1892, Rakkestad
- Jan. 26. 1890, Aurskog
- Mai 14. 1891. Sĝr-Fron
- Oct. 27. 1888, Hammerfest
In addition;
- Valborg Emilie, June 20. 1890, Stavern
- Kristiane Emilie, June 24. 1889, Fredrikstad
- Olga Emilie, Mai 11. 1889, Rakkestad
- Ragnhild Emilie, Mai 30. 1891, Oslo
- Gudny Emilie, Feb. 28. 1892, Oslo
- Hulda Emilie, Oct. 9. 1889, Oslo
- Gunda Emilie, Jan. 10. 1888, Ullensaker
- Dagny Emilie, July 15. 1891, Enebakk
- Olga Emilie, Sept. 27. 1892, Oslo
- Inga Emilie, Oct. 16. 1890, Oslo
- Konstanse Emilie, Nov. 6. 1890, Borre
- Aslaug Emilie, Oct. 10. 1888, Risĝr
- Anne Emilie, Feb. 00?. 1892, Lyngen
- Nanna Emilie, August 28. 1891, Lenvik
Some might have been overlooked.
The census from Dec. 1. 1920 that will include your Svendsen family will most likely be online 2020.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 20/05/2013 : 21:02:27
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Fredrik Svendsen b. between 1886-96.
Total 29 Fredrik S. in the whole country in the 1910 census.
Wow.
Only three possible candidates, and two born 1890.
- Born Oct. 8. 1890, "Matros" Seaman from Son
His mother Anne Elise born in Sweden was a widow.
Income; From the house and a steam ship pir, this Fredrik had 4 siblings; Olga, Erling, John and Finn link
- Born March. 26. 1896, "Volontĝr" Oslo (to young be be father 1914?)
- Born June 29. 1890, shoemaker (Apprentice) , Eide parish.
The father was shoemaker and farmer, this Fredrik had 4 siblings. link
Kċre
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 20/05/2013 : 23:22:52
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A possibility is to search the parish´s where the 20 Emilie Olsen is born to search for Gunnar born 1914.
That will be tomorrow, its getting late in Norway.
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Fliptaylor
New on board
Australia
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Posted - 21/05/2013 : 01:38:50
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My goodness! Thank you so much, I get completely lost with the records and "google translate" is only partially helpful. I have to leave the house now but as soon as I get back i will definately be checking out the links you have put up.
you have no idea how much i appreciate your help! |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2013 : 10:33:50
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I have a feeling that the seaman Fredrik Svendsen from Son is the father.
Since Oslo is mentioned, Son is ca 50 km from Oslo.
Perhaps he married an Emilie Olsen from Olso?
Searching the Oslo records.
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 21/05/2013 10:34:20 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2013 : 12:43:57
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Cant find Gunnar born in Oslo, but Oslo has a huge number of parishes so it is easy to overlook.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2013 : 15:12:43
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I cant prove this is the right Fredrik Svendsen who married Emilie Olsen.
The final evidence is still missing.
You can keep this in case additional info, names etc. appears.
He was born Oct. 8. 1890 in Son in Vestby and was christened Nils Fredrik, but used Fredrik in both the 1900 and the 1910 census.
His father was shipmaster Johan Ferdinand Svendsen, temporary on Bark Pappa sailing from Holland to Brunsvig in America.
His mother was born Larsen, 7 children in 1900 link
His birth record;
Nils Fredrik. Parents; Johan Ferdinand Svendsen b. 1856 and Anne Elise Larsen b. 1864, see on top left page "11
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Edited by - Kċarto on 21/05/2013 15:16:37 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2013 : 02:49:31
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I get completely lost with the records and "google translate" is only partially helpful.
Flip -- Step back and do a little study of how the Norwegian church records are organized. (More about that below)
Google Translate is pretty good with modern language and websites but older language and handwriting are not it's strong suit.
There are a couple of good online lists of words often found in the older church records, etc. that we find of most interest for researching our Norwegian ancestors. Here are a couple of my personal favorites:
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na17.html
There is an excellent article for your study that explains in great deal what you will find in Norwegian church records and quite wonderfully translates all the usual headings for the various types of church book sections.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na20.html
Now as you determine a parish or congregation is something you'd like to search for a birth/baptism reocrd of 'about 2 Feb 1914' you'll have many more skills.
Norwegian church records aren't really hard to use. It just take a bit of study and then practice.
The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005.
The Digitalarkivet web site - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebĝker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
Clicking on "Skanna kyrkjebĝker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] will bring up another screen and listing to choose from. Choose "Lesa skanna kyrkjebĝker" [Norwegian version]/"Read the digitised parish records" [English version].
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmċl (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
For the protection of privacy, there are limits for how recent church records can be published:
- Birth and baptism records up to and including 1929
- Confirmation records up to and including 1934
- Marriage and banns records - no limits
- Civil marriage up to and including 1950
- Death, burial and stillbirth records up to and including 1930
- Migration records - no limits
- Joins and leavings of the State Church up to and including 1950
- Records about dissenters up to and including 1950
If you cross these limits while browsing a register or a list, you will not see the digitised image, but a message informing you that the image cannot be displayed.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2013 : 03:15:37
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An online translation tool: .http://gramtrans.com/
Select Norwegian to English. |
Edited by - JaneC on 22/05/2013 03:16:21 |
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