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SandraSeverson
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 Posted - 25/06/2013 : 22:16:45
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| Can anyone tell me how to find the births of the parents of Kari Andersdatter, born 09 Sep 1783 in Sogndal, Sogn Og Fjordane, Norway? Her parents are Anders Ellingsen and Synneve(a) Ingebrigtsdr. They were married 11 Jun 1783 in Sogndal, Sogn Og Fjordane. I don't know how to find the births or baptism dates of each parent. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I saw some possibilities on Familysearch.com but not sure if I can tell the correct record. If I can find the birth dates I may be able to find the records on the Digital Arkivet. Thank you. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/06/2013 : 22:28:50
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Anders Ellingsen Ruggeseter & Synneva Ingebriktsdr Elvagjeng
Marriage: 11 Jun 1783, Sogndal, Sogn og Fjordane
Anders Ellingsen
Born: 01 Feb 1753, Sogndal, Sogn og Fjordane
Parents: Elling Olsen Ruggeseter & Kristi Sjursdr
Synneva Ingebriktsdr
Born: 19 Feb 1756, Sogndal, Sogn og Fjordane
Parents: Ingebrikt Jakopsen Elvagjeng & Kari Johannesdr
You can find the original records here.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 25/06/2013 22:38:10 |
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SandraSeverson
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267 Posts |
Posted - 25/06/2013 : 22:47:16
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| Wow. That was fast. I wish I knew how to find that kind of information when I don't have a clue as to a close date for a birth. Would I have to go through every register within a range that would likely be a close guess? I have a hard time reading the records. Thank you very much. I am getting better at finding some things but still get stuck once in a while. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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4961 Posts |
Posted - 25/06/2013 : 23:47:35
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Anders can be found here. (Right page, right column, bottom)
Source: Sogn og Fjordane county, Stedje in Sogndal, Parish register (official) nr. A 3 (1747-1768), Chronological list 1753, page 62.
You will see some lines like Dom: Festum Epiphania
Festum Epiphania = Epiphan Domini = Epiphany = January 6th.
"Dom: 3te Festum Epiphania" means the 3rd SUNDAY after January 6th.
In 1753, January 6th was on a Saturday, so "Dom: 1 Festum Epiphania" was Jan 7th.
Thus; "Dom: 3te Festum Epiphania" was January 21st as seen in the column on the lines above Anders.
I think the dates "01 Feb 1753" and "19 Feb 1756" for Anders and Synneva are their christening dates, not d.o.b.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/06/2013 : 21:45:06
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Sandra -
The "how to" can be quite interesting.
You have to consider the resources that may be available for that area and time period:
1. The birth and marriage records that you probably saw in digitized copies of the original handwritten church records.
2. Any available census for the area.
3. A possible published "bygdebok" for the parish/district.
The birth record may provide a farm name of residence at the time of that event. That is important information to save and may be helpful when it comes to using either #2 or #3 above.
The marriage record might list farm names of residence for the groom and the bride, might give their ages when they married and might even list the names of their fathers and their residences. Again that is important information to save.
In the example you gave the census that should be checked would be the 1801 census database at the Digitalarkivet website. If the family is living at the same farm then their (approximate) ages should be listed there. Some spelling variations can be expected in the name of the farm - an exact match between the church record(s) and the census might not exist. If they are no longer living at the same farm then that database can be searched for any one person in the family to hopefully find the family group. At least approximate birth years can be figured with simple arithmetic using info on the census.
In a published bygdebok the information is usually organized by farm name - so you can look up each farm name found in any of the other resources and see if genealogical information is provided there. As a secondary source a bygdebok is something you'd want to verify against the primary sources - but it can be an invaluable 'quick start'.
Does that stir up more questions? I've made quite a few assumptions about what you already know of Norwegian research. I didn't want to insult you by explaining what you may already know. But IF you don't know -- ASK! |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 22:08:31
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I do have a question. In my first post about the parents of Kari Andersdatter I mention the date of the marriage of her parents, Anders Ellingsen and Synneva Ingebrigtsdr 11 Jun 1783. The other names I think are associated the the above people are Ruggeseter and Elvagjeng. I think I have found the record but I am not sure it is them. Could someone look at the record I found and tell me if it the correct one?
Source information: Sogn og Fjordane county, Sogndal, Parish register (official) nr. A 7 (1782-1795), Chronological list 1783, page 14.
Thanks to everyone who has helped me. I know where to look now but sometimes I can't read the writing of the record.
Hopkins, I am going to the Norwegian Historical Society and Naeseth Library in Madison, Wisconsin to look at the books and records they have there.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 23:10:58
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Yes it's them.
Link
The names Ruggeseter and Elvagjeng Elvehiem are the names of the farms where Anders and Synneva lived at the time of marriage (June 1783).
The farmname for Syneva actually reads Elvehiem.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 29/06/2013 23:25:37 |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 23:31:29
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Jan - Thank you for verifying the record for me. It took me a long time to find but at least I think I am getting better at finding the information on my own. Now I have to search for the deaths of these two people. As I haven't a clue as to the dates, this might take awhile. I think I should start with the census records and see what I can find there. Again, thank you for your help.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 23:39:52
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Here is the probate record for Ingebrikt Jakopsen (10 Sep 1707 - 1764).
The widow Kari Johansdatter and their children are mentioned.
People mentioned in the probate:
(1) Kari Johansdatter, Widow
(2) Jacob Ingebrigtsen 11 y.o. Son
(3) Boets gjeld Kreditor (The estate debt creditor)
(4) Ole Aamundsen Dahlager (Guardian for Synneve)
(5) Lars Jacobsen Gerene (Guardian for Johannes)
(6) Ole Ingebrigtsen Qwam (Guardian for Jacob)
(7) Johannes Ingebrigtsen 14 y.o. Son
(8) Synneve Ingebrigtsdatter 8 y.o. Daughter
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jwiborg
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 23:56:17
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The url in the probate record above is stedjeefamilyhistory.info, and it names a son of Anders Ellingsen and Synneve Ingebriktdatter to be Ola (Ole) Andersen.
Ref: Ola (Ole) Andersen was born on 4 August 1784 in Sogndal, Norway, Prestegaard. He died in America? migrated with Anders and Kari.
Sigrid Berntdatter and Ola (Ole) Andersen were married on 19 October 1824.
Sigrid Berntdatter was born on 29 May 1792 in Sogndal, Norway, Notsete. She died in America? migrated with Anders and Kari.
Children were: Anders Olsen Oyene Stedje.
Above I gave you the link to buried 1669-1920, which is a bit faster to search through than the scanned records...
Searching the database, I find these interesting records. It says residence=Stedje for Synneva. Stedje was the name of the farm where her son/g.son lived.
Dead 06 Feb 1814
Synneva Ingebriktd. Øerne
Residence: Stedje
married
born 1756
Dead 28 Jan 1832
Anders Ellingsen
Residence: Øyane
married
born 1753
Jan Peter |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 00:46:42
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Jan
Thank you so much for all your help. I really appreciate it. You have given me a lot of information to digest. I will check on Ole Andersen, Anders and Kari here in America. I do think I am getting a little better in finding records. The hardest part is reading the handwriting. |
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 01:09:24
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Ole Andersen (son of Anders Ellingsen & Synneve Ingebriktdatter) & Sigrid Berntdatter
Their son: Anders Olsen Oyene Stedje, born on 14 September 1826 in Sogndal, Norway. Anders was raised in Stedje, an area located within what is now the town of Sogndal, Norway. In 1854, the family signed out of the church, and began the journey to America. He worked for a local landowner who raised fruit trees, predominantly apple and plum.
Anders and his family settled in America near Door Creek, Dane County, Wisconsin. Two years later, they moved to Town of Marion, Waushara County, Wisconsin.
A granddaughter of Anders' son Ole recalled visiting Anders' old house, at that time occupied by his son Andrew. She said she remembered very well the old log house, with a built-in bed in the kitchen. She recalled a pantry off the kitchen, and an old set of blue willow dishes kept there.
She said that, between the kitchen and living room was a small room where kitchen utensils were kept; just outside the kitchen door was the summer kitchen, used for cooking during hotter months; under that building, the cellar where milk and butter and other perishables were stored.
She mentioned her mothers' visits to the house when Kari and Anders lived in the house, and said that Kari had told her mother that Native Americans lived in the south woods on the edge of the farm when they first moved there. Kari Larsdatter Rutlin and Anders Olsen Oyene Stedje were married on 1 November 1849 in Sogndal, Norway.
Kari Larsdatter Rutlin was born on 1 November 1821 in Sogndal, Norway. She died on 15 May 1896 at the age of 74 in Waushara County, Wisconsin.
Children were:
i. Lewis (Lars) Stedjee.
ii. Ole was born on 20 December 1847.
Anders and Kari in 1880? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MNH5-B3S
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Edited by - jwiborg on 30/06/2013 01:22:55 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 01:50:45
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Emigration on 28 MAR 1854
Source: Sogn og Fjordane county, Sogndal, Parish register (official) nr. A 12II (1847-1877), Emigration records 1854, page 342.
#7, Anders Olsen Stedje 28 y.o.
#8, wife Kari Larsdr 32 y.o.
Children:
#9, Ole, 6 y.o.
#10, Lars, 4 y.o.
+ 10 more from the parish:
#11, Ola Andersen Hundere, 8 y.o.
#12, Sigrid Berntsdr Stedje, 62 y.o. Anders' mother
#13, Ola Olsen Stedje, 18 y.o. brother to Anders?
#14, Synneva Olsdr Stedje, 20 y.o. sister to Anders?
#15, Gjertrud Larsdr Hundere 35
#16, Bernt Olsen Stedje, 26 y.o. brother to Anders?
#17, Gjørid Andersdr Sogndalsfjøra, 22 y.o.
#18, Dorotea Sjurdr Hundere, 25 y.o.
#19, John Johannesen Heggeteig, 32 y.o.
#20, Synneva Andersdr Bjelle, 26 y.o.
It was said on stedjeefamilyhistory.info that Ola (Ole) Andersen was born on 4 August 1784 in Sogndal, Norway, and that he died in America? migrated with Anders and Kari.
I think Ole is mixed up with #11, Ola Andersen Hundere, 8 y.o. This looks like Ola (Ole) Andersen:
Dead: 11 Jun 1846
Ola Anderssen Ølene?
Residence: Stedje
married
born 1784
Thus; I think #12, Sigrid Berntsdr Stedje (62) emigrated as a widow.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 30/06/2013 02:27:09 |
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SandraSeverson
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267 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2013 : 15:06:33
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Jan - I think # 10 in the group you are speaking of is Ole Andersen Hundere who is my husbands great grandfather. Ole did come to America at age 8 with his Aunt (#18) on your list. If I am understanding this correctly, the Ole Andersen son of Anders and Kari happened to come over at the same time as Ole Andersen Hundere. Ole Anndersen Hundere was born 20 Jun 1846 and became know as Ole Severson here in America. His father was Anders Sjursen Hundere and his mother was Gunnild Oldsdatter Midthun but they were never married. Anders Sjursen Hundere (born 1817) became Andrew Severson here. If I am looking at this correctly the grand parents of Anders Sjursen Hundere are Anders Ellingsen and Synneva Engebrigtsdatter. There has not been a trace of Gunnild Olsdatter after the birth of Ole Andersen Hundere that I could find.
Back on July 3 of 2012 you gave me help along with Kare to get me started on my search for Andrew Severson. If it wasn't for your help I would not have made it this far. With this new information I think it will take me awhile to get this down correctly in my family tree. But it seems I am making progress in understanding the relationships of these people. At least I hope I am.
Again let me tell you how much I appreciate the help you have given me. |
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