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Jenanderson
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 Posted - 30/06/2013 : 13:58:19
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Hello,
I am new to this--so sorry if the questions are very basic. I'm living in Sweden at present and hoping to pop over to Norway to see where my family came from yet this summer (as I understand it is under snow for a large part of the year) 
I am hunting down the origins of my paternal lineage. I have found in the birth record of the brother to my great-grandfather--this brother was the only one in that family born in Norway (the rest in Clay Banks, Wisconsin). This brother Andrew "Anders" was born 21 August 1978, baptized 10 November in vestre Slidre
record #52. I think this record indicates that the parents were married. I am very unsure, but I think the father's occupation was husmann (some abbreviation for this perhaps?). Any other ideas for this one? The parents' ages do not agree with other information I have.
This is where things become more unclear for me. Starting in 1978, I started looking for the marriage record of the parents, who I think should be Engebret Andersen and Marit Engebretsdatter. I find possibly two records for Marit wedding in 1978 5! for April 1978 to Ingebret Knudsen--so before the birth of Anders, and a second in November 1978 #9--to Engebret Andersen--I think one day before the baptism--so after the birth of Anders--even though Anders' birth record says he was born in wedlock (I think).
In terms of the bride, these two marriage records seem very consistent to me--but perhaps I'm missing something? There was another Marit Engebretsdatter in the same family, but she should have been 27--whereas these marriage records both have the bride at 24 years.
Ok, so in summary--these are my questions:
1. Ideas for occupation and residence of the father in Anders' birth record? Perhaps someone with more experience can read these better?
2. Was it possible to marry by proxy or something that would have two weddings for the same people recorded? What is the word above the groom's name in the 5! record and why the !?
3. Are there differences between the marriage records I'm failing to recognize--so the bride is not the same person in both?
4. What hints do you see for tracing back the Engebret Andersen's lineage? According to these records, I think his father should be Anders Thorsen--I can work with that, but where does it say Engebret is from? Stinde something?
Again, apologies for the very basic questions and my thanks for any who take the time to help out!
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 14:30:28
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You are right, the parents was married and were cottagers/crofters.
Anders was bapt. Nov. 10. 1878
After the name Anders its written "ĉgte" for a child born out of wedloc it would have been written "uĉgte"
They married one day after Anders was bapt, but I read it as the priest knew they were going to get married the next day so he wrote "ĉgte" (not born out of wedloc.
On Nov. 9. 1878 bachelor Engebret Andersen age 20 and maid Marit Engebretsdatter age 24 married.
1.) Anders was born on Stende (Steine)
When Engebret married he was from Stende eie, a sub farm under Stende and Marit was from Viste (Ĝvre/Upper Viste)
2) She had a name sake, there were 9 Vist farms in Slidre, the 2. Marit married Tollef Knudsen from Skrautvċl in Valdres.
A Marit Viste was one of the godparents when Anders was bapt., perhaps it was her.
3) Its the same Engebret and Marit in both records.
4) Anders father was Anders Thorsen Stende eie
Marits father Engebret Nilsen Vist.
Not sure, but did I answere all questions?
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Edited by - Kċarto on 30/06/2013 18:58:18 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 15:30:07
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Now I understand why two Marit Engebretsdatter Viste married 1878.
They were sisters, look here
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Edited by - Kċarto on 30/06/2013 15:34:00 |
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Jenanderson
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 16:29:10
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Thank you!
I knew there were two Marit Engebretsdatters, but I see that I let the reported ages confuse me--or misread a 7 as a 4 or something. The census info, as you and I both found, does have two Marits. From my original post "There was another Marit Engebretsdatter in the same family, but she should have been 27--whereas these marriage records both have the bride at 24 years." I just let the ages confuse me.
Minutes before checking back on here I found the family graves at:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=59368252
These records are missing my Marit relative, but shows the other was married to a Knudson.
Your interpretation of the information about Anders and Engebret was very very helpful. It is also fun to see because there is a story that our last name was change from something like "Stinde". As these things happen in families, someone saw some piece of paper sometime that said something like "Stinde". See how good our records are (just a little joke)? I think this must have been a reference to Stende! How cool!
Since nothing comes up when I google Stende Norway I guess this is probably a farm name (like Vist). The closest I find is Stend (see below) so I'll try to find the next step back starting there. Perhaps like in swedish this might be a version of the word for stone--sounds like a good place to farm
Farm no. Farm Parish Muncipality County
97 Stend Fane Fane Sĝndre Bergenhus amt
So I have a plan for the above.
Another challenge I have undertaken is to see if I can figure out where Engebret is burried. It was reported in the Door County Advocate that Ingebret died on Feb. 14, 1910 as follows: Ingebret "together with his brother Thomas had paid a visit to their old home in Norway, and Ingebret was returning to America. He had boarded the ship at Christiana for Hull, Eng., but thick weather setting in the steamer laid by until the fog cleared. It was at this time that he fell overboard and when the body was recovered life was extinct. The remains were interred at Christiana...."
Wish me luck!
Thanks again for your help and your very very quick response!
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Kċarto
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 19:23:42
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You are welcome.
Viste is an old farm mentioned in a document written on parcment, the seals are gone, on April 6. 1368 (18 years after the black plague where ca 50% of the population in Norway died)
The document tells that Gudleik Torgeirsson, Sheriff in Valdres, takes up two mens testimony that Eilif Blaakoll had bought 4,5 Lĝbsbol (an old measurement), a part in farm Viste from his brother Thorstein which therefore had recieved full payment.
The written language further down is a modernised version of the 1368 language where Viste was spelled Wissti, link
Good luck
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Edited by - Kċarto on 30/06/2013 20:55:02 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 21:20:06
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The genealogy for Tollef Knudsen who married the youngest Mari Engebretsdatter link
the meaning of Steine is close to Stein (Stone) spelled Steene 1668 acc. to prof. Ola Rygh who believe the name comes from a nearby river or creek or the mans name Stein/Steiner/Stener/Steinar which means Stone as for the mans name Steinulf-Stonewolf
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Edited by - Kċarto on 30/06/2013 21:24:57 |
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olapaaola
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two weddings and a baby?
