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SandraSeverson
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 Posted - 20/07/2013 : 01:12:43
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I may have an error in my tree. On 10 Oct 1819 Sjur Johanneson married Kari Andersdatter in Sogn, Sogndal of Fjordane. I believe she died in 1849 and her husband Sjur left for America in 1851. I don't know if I have the correct parents for Kari. I think they are Anders Ellingsen Ruggeseter and Synneva Ingbriktsdtr Elvaheim per the following:
Source information: Sogn og Fjordane county, Sogndal, Parish register (official) nr. A 7 (1782-1795), Chronological list 1783, page 19.
I think she was born in Sept 1783 and baptised 9 Sep 1783.
Anders Ellingsen Ruggeseter born 1753 in Sogn
Synneva Ingbriktsdtr Elvaheim born 1756 in Sogn
So if I have Kari's parents wrong I also have the ancestors of her wrong as far as I went in that line. Hopefully I don't but if someone could take a look at this I would greatly appreciate it.
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JaneC
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 04:40:54
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Originally posted by SandraSeverson
On 10 Oct 1819 Sjur Johanneson married Kari Andersdatter in Sogn, Sogndal of Fjordane.
Family Search shows a groom Siur Johannesen marries a bride Kari Andersdr 19 Oct 1809 in Sogndal, Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway
Family Search shows a Kari Andersen baptized 09 Sep 1783 in Sogndal, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway with parents Anders Ellingsen and Synneve Ingebrigtsdr.
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 12:25:47
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Thank you. I thought I had the correct parents of Kari but I saw some other information that listed the same first names as what I had but the last names were not the same. Even the dates were the same. The record for her birth only lists her baptism date as 9 Sep 1783 but not the birth date. Why would that be or did I miss a record?
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 13:11:43
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I'm sure someone will come along to help with the original church book look up for you.
To answer your question about the other information you saw, they would need to know what you saw and where. Maybe you saw an online family tree. Oftentimes mistakes appear in online trees. You are doing your own research, so that's very good. Another reason for the differences in names could be the Norwegian naming pattern of first name + patronymic + place name (or other additional name). As you probably know, a place name can change as people move to a new place and become identified with a new place name. It's possible to find the same person with two different place names. |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 14:12:13
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Yes the information came from other trees. One was familiysearch search.org and it was an IGI record that was submitted by a member, not the Norwegian official record. It lists Kari's parents as: Anders Torsteinsen and Kristine Adamsen Reutz. The other one was from another family tree website and that one listed Anders Torstenson Alme and Kirstina Orbech Adamsdtr Reutz. Both trees show the birth date as 1783. The last tree has 6 Apr 1783 and I only have Sep 1783 but I do have 9 Sep 1783 as baptism. Can anyone confirm that my tree has the correct information?
Both of the other trees list birth place as Hafslo. I am looking in the archives for Hafslo but have not found anything to help yet.
I did see in the Sogndal Bygdebok 1810 til 1837 that Sjur Johannesson married Kari Andersdotter f.kr. 1783. And she died in 1849 at Hundere. It doesn't say where she was born.
Hope someone can help with this. Thanks.
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eibache
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 17:48:08
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Soldier and bachelor Siur Johannesen, Hundere and maiden Kari Andersdatter, Hundere were married Oct 19 1809. See top left page.
Farmers wife Kari Andersdatter, Hundere died March 28 1849 66 years old, see #10.
Siur Johannesen, Hundere, 63 years old, moved out of Sogndal - emigrated to America in April 1851, see #23.
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Edited by - eibache on 20/07/2013 17:56:48 |
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eibache
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 18:03:21
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Siur and Kari had a stillborn girl in Jan 1810.
A son, Johanes was born in 1811 and baptized Oct 6, see right page.
A Daughter, Kiestine was born Dec 26 1814 and baptized Jan 1 1815, see 2nd child right page.
A son, Anders was born April 29 1817 and baptized May 2, see fisrt child left page.
A son, Jens was born Febr 20 and baptized Febr 26 1820, see top right page.
A daughter, Gjertrud was born May 1 1821 and baptized May 6, see left page.
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Edited by - eibache on 20/07/2013 19:37:30 |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 19:48:57
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| Thanks everyone. I feel that what I have in the tree is correct. |
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eibache
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 20:16:29
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I believe your Kari Andersdatter was born 1791 and baptized Aug 7, her parents Anders Ellendsen, Øyene and Syneve Ingebrigsdatter, see last child left page.
The family in 1801.
Kari Andersdatter born 1783, parents Anders Ellingsen and Synneve Ingebrigtsdatter could have died before 1791.
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JaneC
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 20:46:28
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Okay, and Kari Andersdatter born 1791 in Sogndal with parents
Anders Ellingsen (1753- 28 January 1832 Oyene Stedjee, Norway) and
Synneve Ingebrigtsdatter born 1755
who married 11 June 1783
is on this Family Search family tree, link below. Mostly this tree follows the descendants of Kari's big brother Ole:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MCPC-Q4Z |
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eibache
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 22:09:50
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Anders Ellingsen Ruggesæter and Synneva Ingebrigtsdatter Elvaheim were married June 11 1783, see right page.
The 1801 census says Anders was 48 years old and Synneva was 46 years old, born approx 1753 and 1755 respectively then.
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 20/07/2013 : 22:26:48
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So the Kari Andersdatter I have born 1783 and died in 1849 may be wrong. In the Sogndal Bygdebok on page 61, it says that Kari wed Anders in 1809. Also says she was born in 1783 and died 1849. But that book doesn't give Kari's parents. I may have her dates wrong but I think I have the correct information for her parents as far as dates go.
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JaneC
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Posted - 21/07/2013 : 01:19:47
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quote:
Originally posted by SandraSeverson
I do have 9 Sep 1783 as baptism. Can anyone confirm that my tree has the correct information?
The forum would need to know your starting point in order to confirm your tree is correct.
Above are posted two birth records for two "Kari Andersdotters" - two little girls born to the same parents. It was suggested that most likely the first little Kari died (you can search the churchbooks to find her death) and the parents of your Kari then named her after that first little girl. This was traditional practice.
Does that help?
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 21/07/2013 : 02:15:22
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Jane - I have seen where a child was named after the one that died. The thing puzzling me is what the Sogndal Bygdebok says , that Kari was born in 1783 and died in 1849. She was married to Sjur Johannesen in 1809. After she died he came to America in 1851.
Einer wrote this in a post on 20/07/2013 at 17:48:08 -
Soldier and bachelor Siur Johannesen, Hundere and maiden Kari Andersdatter, Hundere were married Oct 19 1809. See top left page.
Farmers wife Kari Andersdatter, Hundere died March 28 1849 66 years old, see #10.
Siur Johannesen, Hundere, 63 years old, moved out of Sogndal - emigrated to America in April 1851, see #23.
This is what I have right now in my tree and this is what the Sogndal Bygdebok says. I have traced Siur and Kari's children that came to America. Anders, born in 1817 is my husbands 2x great grandfather. So this is where I am at. Very confusing to me.
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JaneC
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Posted - 21/07/2013 : 16:53:45
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Okay, so I guess the next step is to prove Kari born 1783 died; or to prove she did not die (find her on the census).
The Kari born 1791 is living as of the 1801 census.
The priest wanted to enter Kari's age in the churchbook when she died. He may have looked up her birth record and made the original mistake that is now being repeated down the centuries. (Just a theory!) |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 21/07/2013 : 17:45:42
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| Good idea. I will start looking for that now. If I find her death then there is a good possibility that there was an error made back then. I rally appreciate all,the help. Thanks. |
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