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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 29/08/2013 : 18:51:34
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! You have been busy! I added the births you found to the summary of siblings. It seems possible the sister Marie went to the USA (to immigrate or to visit).
About Jens's earliest records in the USA:
1885 Minnesota Census was taken during the months of May and June.
1885 Minnesota state census you found James Tang or Tony? (hard to read handwriting), age 20, with Thomas and Rachel Brickson family in Hamden, Becker, Minnesota - including Betsy Brickson age 16
1885 Minnesota state census, here the name is transcribed as James TONG and Ancestry.com transcribes the name as Tong: http://files.usgwarchives.net/mn/becker/census/1885/hamden.txt
14 May 1885 (in the midst of the census) James O. Tang married Betsy Brickson in Becker County, Minnesota
They stayed together for four days (per the Norwegian genealogist). Jens is next found having moved out of the county. Do I sense a shotgun wedding? (only one of many possibilities)
no 1890 US federal census
1895 Minnesota state census - not yet found
1900 US federal census - not yet found
28 November 1902 Jens Tang married Louise Mikkelsen in Clay county, Minnesota
1905 found in the Minnesota state census in Clay county
It's not proven that the guy in the Brickson household in 1885 is your Jens - but it makes common sense that he would be.
Note: some immigrants Anglicized their names and then returned to their true names. We have a Gunnerius who became George and then Gunnerius. |
Edited by - JaneC on 29/08/2013 19:01:06 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/08/2013 : 02:47:39
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Here is a Jens Tang age 69 in 1930 relationship is uncle:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3CG-3L1
Hmmm a Sonneva in the household in Minnesota 1885 census:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQF8-FFP
Here is Nils Hillstad's death record in 1935. His mother is listed as Senneva Johnson:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FD81-6NJ
Einar Nilsen, Synneva Olsdatter & Nils Einarson departing for America:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000670685
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000670686
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000670687
Nils Hillstad's baptism #61, mother curiously identified as Synnive Nielsdatter Tang:
Source information: Sogn og Fjordane county, Hafslo, Parish register (official) nr. A 11 (1873-1886), Birth and baptism records 1878, page 33.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6863&idx_id=6863&uid=ny&idx_side=-32
Here is Synniva Olsdatter Tang's and Einar Nielsen Hillestad's marriage #20. Her father is identified as Ole Jensen Tang:
Source information: Sogn og Fjordane county, Hafslo, Parish register copy nr. A 1 (1866-1908), Marriage records 1879, page 250.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5256&idx_id=5256&uid=ny&idx_side=-258
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/08/2013 : 04:23:31
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Here are two interesting fellows in the Minnesota Death Index. Their mother's maiden name is Tang and she appears to be a "Susan Larson" in the 1910 census, b abt 1860 (udv unfortunately transcribed as 1862), married to Ole N. Larson:
LARSON, CHRISTIAN LEONARD
Date of Birth: 14 Feb 1895
Place of Birth: MINNESOTA
Mother Maiden Name: TANG
certid# 1970-MN-016642
Date of Death: 09 Jul 1970
County of Death: CLAY
LARSON, HENRY S.
Date of Birth: 01 Jun 1887
Place of Birth: MINNESOTA
Mother Maiden Name: TANG
certid# 1970-MN-016655
Date of Death: 28 Jul 1970
County of Death: CLAY
Here is a possible working theory. Synneve is a name often Anglicized to Susan. What if Einar Nielsen Hillestad dies and Synniva is remarried to Ole Larson and continues family building? This Susan Tang Larson is a first cousin to Jens Tang.I haven't been able to find Einar in later censuses.
See later.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/08/2013 : 04:27:18
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27 November 1879 Marriage in Hafslo
Original handwritten document: Synneva Olsdatter Tang born 1859 (father Ole Jensen Tang) marries Einar Nielsen Hillestad born 1854 (father Niels Einarsen)
Here's a funny transcription of the marriage record that doesn't match the original document):
http://da4.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=hafsvi&gardpostnr=2423&personpostnr=2423
Their son Nils born 20 AUGUST 1878
15 May 1883 - Departing Bergen:
Synneva Olsdatr Hillestad, married, age 23, born about 1860 in Hafslo
Einar Nilssen Hillestad, married, age 28, born about 1855 in Hafslo
Nils Einarssen Hillestad age 4 born Hafslo
Ole Einarssen Hillestad age 4 born Hafslo <--------------not shown in Nils's birth record - maybe a mistake; he must be younger
About the Nils Hillestad who dies in 1935 in Becker County, Minnesota, mother Senneva Johnson - Johnson could be the Americanization for Jensen ? (her father was Ole Jensen)
Family tree for Nels Hillestad (1875 Norway -1935 Becker County, Minnesota) parents not noted; he is said to marry Karen Oleanna Jacobsen:
http://mindrumfamilyhistory.com/getperson.php?personID=I3873&tree=mindrum
Find a Grave memorials to the Nels Hillestad family:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSln=Hillestad&GSiman=1&GScid=82660& |
Edited by - JaneC on 30/08/2013 05:38:40 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/08/2013 : 04:39:06
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It's a little confusing with all the people who choose the name Tang ...The above post was my way of staring at your latest findings.
Back in an edit to delete Susan O. Tang Larsen b July 1859 in Norway married to Ole N Larsen and lived in Becker County and then Clay County (per Find a Grave). Useful to know she's ruled out..
Minnesota Naturalization Record
Name: Einar Hillestad
County: Becker
Reel: 1
Code: 2
Volume: 2
Page: 181
Document Type: Declaration
Years: 1884 -1896
Numbers: 1-611 |
Edited by - JaneC on 30/08/2013 05:24:03 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/08/2013 : 05:08:16
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| Well, the cookie has crumbled. Jens O. Tang is not listed amongst her survivors. So the Hillestads are still in, but the Susan Tang Larson is out of the running to Jens' sister but she is Jens' first cousin.. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 01/09/2013 18:51:38 |
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JaneC
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jkmarler
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 30/08/2013 : 09:29:58
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Under mother and father's remarks I find "2den gang leiermaal" and "4rde gang leiermaal." Is this a counting of the number of illegitimate births?
- that's correct. (Found 3 of them).
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/08/2013 : 09:44:52
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15 May 1883 - Departing Bergen:
Synneva Olsdatr Hillestad, married, age 23, born about 1860 in Hafslo
Einar Nilssen Hillestad, married, age 28, born about 1855 in Hafslo
Nils Einarssen Hillestad age 4 born Hafslo
Ole Einarssen Hillestad age 4 born Hafslo <--------------not shown in Nils's birth record - maybe a mistake; he must be younger
The correct records are here.
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eibache
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/08/2013 : 17:57:59
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Thanks for your help with all that eibache. (Link #20 didn't work for me, but my computer can be weird sometimes.) About the transcription of the emigration, I wasn't very clear. I should have explained I was just transcribing the record posted by jkmarler in the link headed by this line: "Einar Nilsen, Synneva Olsdatter & Nils Einarson departing for America:"
Here's a transcription of a Minnesota state census posted by jkmarler (I like transcriptions, hope you all won't mind):
1885
Lake Park, Becker, Minnesota
Ainar Helestad 28 b abt 1857 Norway
Soneva Helestad 23 b abt 1862 Norway
Nils Helestad 7y Norway
Ole Helestad 3y Norway
Inger Helestad 1y Minnesota
More posted by jkmarler:
1900
Lodi, Columbia, Wisconsin
Ener Helestad 47 b Aug 1853 Norway, to USA 1883
Mary Helestad 40 Norway, married 10 years, has 5 children
Nels Helestad 22 son Norway
Ole Helestad 19 son Norway
Melvin S Helestad 9 son Wisconsin
Lawrence B Helestad 8 son Wisconsin
Morris N Helestad 6 son Wisconsin
Correl L Helestad 4 son Wisconsin
Juroma B Helestad 1 daughter Wisconsin
Boarder - Arnt Anderson 59 Norway
In 1900 and 1910 in Eglon & Hawley Townships, Clay, Minnesota, an Inger Hilestad b Sep 1883 (age17 and 26) works as a servant in the Kjelmyren household, parents b Norway
Find a Grave memorial for "Father Hillestad" in Lodi, Dane County, Wisconsin 1926:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Hillestad&GSiman=1&GScid=87757&GRid=74346645& |
Edited by - JaneC on 31/08/2013 13:55:01 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/08/2013 : 14:21:39
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(Link #20 didn't work for me, but my computer can be weird sometimes.)
- links are now corrected.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/08/2013 : 15:25:55
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Re Inger Hillestad--Here is a link to the Skjerva family in Clay county in 1920. Bernard Skjerva's birth index listing gives his mother's maiden name as Hillestad:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MWY9-Y8X |
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dtang
Junior member
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Posted - 31/08/2013 : 15:32:07
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Amazing and valuable exchanges (and info). I hesitate to jump in ...I find some info or have a question and when I get on to post you all are one (or more) steps ahead of me .
From previous Hopkin's post on emigration (children of Ole Jensen Tang (Smedegaard) and Anna Olssdtr Tang)
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Persons registered as leaving through port of Bergen whose father's given name started with 'Ol', who mentioned Tang as a prior residence and who gave info as having been born in Hafslo. The info included in the emigrant register after the date leaving were -- Førenamn, Farsnamn, Etternamn, Kjønn, Stand, Yrke, Fødd år, Alder, Fødestad, Bustad, Billett, Merknad Linje
1880 Mai 5 -- Niels, Olsen, Tang, m, gift, 1814, 66, Hafslo, Hafslo, , , Anker Linie,
1882 Mars 10 -- Jens, Olsen, Tang, m, ugift, 1863, 19, Hafslo, Hafslo, , Tjenestedreng, Allan Linie
1882 Mars 10 -- Synneva, Olsdatr, Tang, f, ugift, 1867, 15, Hafslo, Haflso, , Indersts Datter, Allan Linie
1884 Mai 8 -- Anne, Olsdatr, Tang, f, ugift, 1865, 19, Hafslo, Hafslo, prp, Husm's Datter, American Line
1895 Mars 22 -- Sofie, Olsdatter, Tang, f, ug, Husmdtr, 1872, 23, Hafslo, Hafslo, , Cunard
1904 Mai 5 -- Marie, Olsdtr, Tang, f, ug, Tjpige, 1876, 28, Hafslo, Hafslo, , Amerikan pp
Edited by - Hopkins on 03/08/2013 03:04:58
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I believe Neils Olsen Tang can be ruled out as a sibling (b.1814)…leaving last 5 who came to the US ( g-father , Jens and 4 sisters)
 Could Neils Olsen Tang (b. 1814) be a brother of Ole Jensen Tang ?
I have been practicing and can can locate all above in emigrants register, and can now even read the Norweigian headings., but
Under column “Billet”what does pp (prp) mean? …paid passenger? Who else would pay? Not all passengers have an entry in this column?
The post by Hopkins indicates that Jens Olsen Tang and Synneva Olsdtr Tang emigrated together (10Mar 1882). This seems to conflict with the info (jkmarker) about emigration of Synneve Olsdtr Hillestad (Tang) with husband Einar Nilssen Hillestsd (and two children). Marriage #20 (eibache) seems clearly to indicate that Synneva's father was Ole Jensen Tang.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=19&filnamn=EMIBERG&gardpostnr=14703&merk=14703#ovre
Are these really two different "Synnevas?"
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