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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 15/11/2016 : 15:50:06
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Here are Halvor T Johnson's homesteads in South Dakota. Long descriptions since there are so many lots. Two counties Buffalo and Hyde which border each other:
SDMTAA 039761
JOHNSON, HALVOR T
12/2/1887 13196 SD 5th PM 108N - 070W Lot/Trct 11 1 Buffalo
108N - 070W Lot/Trct 12 1 Buffalo
108N - 070W Lot/Trct 5 1 Buffalo
108N - 070W Lot/Trct 6 1 Buffalo
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SDMTAA 039898
JOHNSON, HALVOR T
6/8/1891 34SD 5th PM 108N - 070W Lot/Trct 3 1 Buffalo
108N - 070W Lot/Trct 4 1 Buffalo
108N - 070W Lot/Trct 1 2 Buffalo
108N - 070W Lot/Trct 2 2 Buffalo
108N - 070W Lot/Trct 3 2 Buffalo
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SDMTAA 043280
JOHNSON, HALVOR T
12/30/1902 39 SD 5th PM 109N - 071W NE¼SE¼ 9Hyde
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SDMTAA 043325
JOHNSON, HALVOR T
6/11/1907 18836 SD 5th PM 109N - 071W SW¼SW¼ 3 Hyde
109N - 071W NW¼NE¼ 10 Hyde |
Edited by - jkmarler on 15/11/2016 16:17:41 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2016 : 15:53:30
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| Of the DNA testing since the person in common appears to be from Vestlandet, it sort of bolsters the forum initial emphasis of Bergen (and family tradition) and the environs of Bergen, it also makes Telemark seem a less auspicious place. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2016 : 16:04:37
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Yes...
Here is John Otto Stromsten and Anne Kirstine Gundersdatter of the above marriage record, in Norway in 1865
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Edited by - JaneC on 15/11/2016 16:06:02 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2016 : 16:10:54
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| So Christine is a foster daughter and born Karmøen. Wonder if that's the same as Karmøy, in Rogaland? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2016 : 16:22:09
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Seems likely.
The newspaper article you posted (celebrating Christine's 92nd birthday) says she was born in "Koperweek" Norway in 1855 and came to USA at age 12. The article published Thursday. 07 August says her birthday was Tuesday - so a likely birth date 05 August 1855.
As a recap for anyone coming in fresh, since the trail meanders, the look at Halvor's wife Christine is a scrutiny of Halvor, who may or may not be related to Betsey. If he is traced in Norway, she may or may not be with him.
"Koperweek" may mean Kopervik on the island of Karmøy in Rogaland.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2016 : 16:51:25
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It probably would have been helpful if I had posted the info on Christina from the various Family Trees found on Ancestry. before I quit last night.
Christina Bantina STROMSTEIN *
1855–1955
BIRTH 05 AUG 1855 • Kopervik, Rogaland, Norway
DEATH 09 JAN 1955 • Hyde county, South Dakota
father
John Otto STROMSTEIN *
1826–1909
BIRTH APR 1826 • Sweden
DEATH 1909 • Iowa
mother
Anna Christine GUNDERSON *
1823–1911
BIRTH SEP 1823 • Norway
DEATH 1911 • Iowa |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2016 : 16:55:40
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From the same tree
Jno Strumstene
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Jno Strumstene
[Jno Strumstein]
Age in 1870: 44
Birth Year: abt 1826
Birthplace: Sweden
Home in 1870: Hartland, Worth, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Northwood
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Jno Strumstene 44
C Strumstene 47
C Strumstene 15
M Strumstene 13
John O. Stromstein
in the 1880 United States Federal Censu
Name: John O. Stromstein
Age: 54
Birth Year: abt 1826
Birthplace: Sweden
Home in 1880: Northwood, Worth, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Christine Stromstein
Father's Birthplace: Sweden
Mother's Birthplace:
Name Age
John O. Stromstein 54
Christine Stromstein 57
Christine Stromstein 24
Matilda Stromstein 22 |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/11/2016 16:59:48 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2016 : 17:30:47
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Here is a fairly close match
Name: Berentine Christine Berntsdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 5 aug 1855
Baptism Date: 28 okt 1855 (28 Oct 1855)
Baptism Place: Alvadsnes, Rogaland, Norway
Father: Bernt Knudsen
Mother: Sara Christine Reiersdatter
FHL Film Number: 307120
Reference ID: p135 #141
Born out of wedlock see number 141
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051108030825 |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/11/2016 17:35:45 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2016 : 19:46:17
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I wonder where she considers where she spent her childhood in Norway.
B 1855 Kopervik Rogaland
Resides 1865 Nes Akershus
Resides 1867 United States
Resides 1870 Iowa Worth County
Since Halvor likely lived in the same Iowa county from 1870 that gives a decade to become acquainted or reacquainted over here.
Her mother was from Farsund which is Sorlandet and her father from Koppervik (at least at the time she was baptized.)
Halvor may have lived in Rogaland or Akershus in Norway or in some other place not yet in evidence.
Someone to explore Halvor Johannesen b 1848 Nes in Akershus:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038023004960
#90 Halvor Theodore Johanson b 14 Sept 1848:
SAO, Nes prestekontor Kirkebøker, A/Aa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. I 7, 1846-1858, p. 17
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060307020413
Possibly his departure for America:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000395903
Haven't been able to find the 16 year sister Thea in the baptisms...
Done
#75 Anne Dorothea Johansdatter b 7 Aug 1850:
SAO, Nes prestekontor Kirkebøker, A/Aa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. I 7, 1846-1858, p. 104
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060307020500
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2016 : 21:17:51
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The father Johan Halvorsen was born ca 1819, with a wife Berte born ca 1823 and son Ludvig born ca 1853, fits this family tree for Johan Sagen (Halvorsen)
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The birth of Halvor Theodore Johansen 14 Sept 1848 in Nes matches the rootsweb post for Halvor Theodore Sagen Johnson born 14 Sept 1848 and father John Halvorson matches the father on his posted marriage record.
On this link, Christine's married name is given as Mrs Halvor Theodore Sagen Johnson:
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The 1865 census lists 8-year-old Marie. Family Search includes a birth for her as Berte Marie, and confirming the census birth year. Not a match for Betsey Ann.
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So this is clearly the Halvor Johnson being tracked - and this cannot be the birth family for Betsey. |
Edited by - JaneC on 15/11/2016 22:12:41 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2016 : 22:05:24
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| I'm not sure that much more research should be done on Halvor Johnson. I think this is the family outlined in the various posts & records. But there appears to be no one in the family named like Betsy nor born 28 Feb 1850, so this mission is done. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2016 : 00:01:44
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Well if we place our trust in the birth date of 28 Feb 1850 the Ancestry.com data base does not give us many candidates. Only four as a matter of fact. Now the data base is probably not complete for every birth within the country but there really is no first name resembling Betsy.
Name Birth Date Baptism Date Baptism Place Relatives
View Record
Synneve Johannesdatter
28 feb 1850 1 mar 1850 Sund, Hordaland, Norway Johannes,
Synneve
View Record
Jensine Margrethe Johansen
28 feb 1850 9 jun 1850 Dyroy,Troms,Norway John,
Hanna
View Record
Maren Henrikke Johansen
28 feb 1850 1 apr 1850 Domkirken, Oslo, Akershus, Norway Johan,
Bodil Karine
View Record
Pernille Johansen
28 feb 1850 9 mai 1850 (9 May 1850) Ostre Toten,Opland,Norway Johannes,
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2016 : 00:57:15
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Well, if we eliminate the most identifiable characteristic on Betsy, her birth date, then how will we know that we have the right one in Norway?
Remember the birthdate is calculated on her death certificate. The date was typed in and the year was hand written. The year, month, and days also calculate to 1 March 1850 depending on the program or method used.
If the Bertha Anderson in Wadena is her (and I highly suspect it is) that census gives her birth as March 1850.
The only major US record on her that we haven't seen is the marriage record. Hopefully, there will be an additional clue leading to clarity. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2016 : 02:35:52
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A recap of Betsy Ann's age in the census in early years
1870 - 19 - b ca 1851
1880 - 28 - b ca 1852
1885 - 33 - b ca 1852
1895 - 43 - b ca 1852
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2016 : 03:59:55
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In the 1900 Census there is a couple living in Sebaka, Waseca County. Using various sources I think the wife is named Johanna Johnson. Here is some information on her and her family. Perhaps she is a relative of Betsy.
Johanna J. Tjota (kjota)
1856–1943
BIRTH MAY 6, 1856 • Stavenger, Norway
DEATH JAN. 11, 1943 • Minneapolis, MN
Married to
John J Lande
1852–1922
BIRTH DEC. 22, 1852 • Norway
DEATH 23 MAR 1922 • St. Paul, MN
Johanna Linde
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Johanna Linde
[Johanna J Tjota Linde]
[Johanna Lande]
Age: 44
Birth Date: May 1856
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Sebeka, Wadena, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1887
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: John J Linde
Marriage Year: 1888
Years Married: 12
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Household Members:
Name Age
John J Linde 47
Johanna Linde 44
John Linde 11
Janse Linde 10
Lisa Linde 8
Clara Linde 7
Hanna Linde 5
Edwin Linde 4
Arnie Linde 2
Oddly enough there appears to be a John J Lande married to second wife Johanna Johnson living in Winneabago, Iowa during this same time frame. |
Edited by - AntonH on 16/11/2016 05:38:19 |
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Betsy Johnson of Bergen
