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ArnoldJohnsonHolm
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 Posted - 27/10/2013 : 20:49:30
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Hi, I am a fifth generation San Franciscan, seeking information on my great grandfather, Captain Andrew G. Johnson (b) Oct 1858, Norway..
According to US records, he immigrated to the US (I was told he was a ship Captain) in 1877 (where?), married Elizabeth Forcade in 1885. They had six children, Horace Arnold Johnson was my grandfather.
Information on Andrew G. Johnson and his family would be great. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/10/2013 : 21:40:13
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Any idea what the "G" is short for?
Census-1900
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ArnoldJohnsonHolm
New on board
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Posted - 27/10/2013 : 22:48:05
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Hi, I'm not sure of the middle name for Andrew "G". Johnson born in Norway 1858, although he had six children, one had a middle name of "Gilbert". He did naturalize in San Francisco CA on December 2, 1884. Would be great to find him in his country or origin, Norway
Thanks I have the 1900 census (i'm on ancestry.com). |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/10/2013 : 23:16:04
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The 1900-census was not purely ment for you, but for the other researchers frequenting this forum... Providing links lead to that others don't have to do the same search.
Some old newspapers shows him as a captain on the steamer "Point Arena".
Have you located him in census-1880? |
Edited by - jwiborg on 27/10/2013 23:16:44 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/10/2013 : 23:39:28
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Andrew G. Johnsen. Most likely born along the coast since he was a sea-captain.
Worth a try.
Anders/Andreas with the middlename G?? or perhaps his father was G?? Johnsen/Johannesen.
Gulbrand was often changed to Gilbert.
Andreas/Anders born Oct. 1858, father Gulbrand Johnsen/Johannesen??
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ArnoldJohnsonHolm
New on board
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Posted - 28/10/2013 : 00:04:33
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Thank you, I see RE: Census-1900 (i'm new to these boards). I haven't found him in 1880 census. I've spent years on Myherritage.com and now updating a new tree on Ansetry.com and came to an end on both sites. Seeing information on FamilySearch.com a lot more these days. I can't afford memberships (between jobs) so I get the info where I can. If possible please provide a link to the reference newspaper.
My mom was very proud being of Norwegian dissent and of her Captain grandfather.
I appreciate your experience and help.
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ArnoldJohnsonHolm
New on board
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Posted - 28/10/2013 : 00:12:59
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Wow, looks like a good match. That is the best news I've had in a while. Thank you so very much. Too funny, my sisters ex-husband was Anders (also a Norwegian).
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Andrew G. Johnsen. Most likely born along the coast since he was a sea-captain.
Worth a try.
Anders/Andreas with the middlename G?? or perhaps his father was G?? Johnsen/Johannesen.
Gulbrand was often changed to Gilbert.
Andreas/Anders born Oct. 1858, father Gulbrand Johnsen/Johannesen??
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/10/2013 : 01:43:00
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I see you mentioned newspapers. There is a free California newspaper website that carries the San Franciso Call. There are over 1500 references to Captian Andrew Johnson in the San Francisco paper. In 1896 Captain Andrew Johnson had his license suspended for running the Point Arena aground. You might want to search yourself:
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=q&l=en&leqX= |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2013 : 18:10:07
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DEATHS reported in the San Francisco Call December 31, 1908, page 13:
"JOHNSON - In this city, December 29, 1908, Captain Andrew G Johnson, dearly beloved husband of Lizzie M. Johnson (formerly Fourcade), and loving father of Hyppolite, Oliver, Laura, Carlos, Arnold, and Albert Johnson, a native of Arendal, Norway, aged 50 years. A member of the Master Mariners' benevolent association and Pohonachee tribe No. 10, I.O.R.M. Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend the funeral tomorrow (Friday) at 11 a.m. from his late residence, 226 Grattan Street between Shrader and Stanyan. Interment Holy Cross Cemetery."
Another Andrew G Johnson in San Francisco died 1903.
Lizzie's mother's obit also spells her surname Fourcade. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2013 : 19:13:38
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Just what the doctor ordered! Thanks Jane.
Here is a possible #47 Jacob Andreas Johanson b. 1 Oct 1858:
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Arendal, Parish register (official) nr. A 6 (1855-1868), Birth and baptism records men 1858, page 17.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=774&idx_id=774&uid=ny&idx_side=-24
But this one doesn't explain the middle initial G.
Here is the marriage record of this Jakob Andreas' parents, #1:
Kildeinformasjon: Aust-Agder fylke, Arendal, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1855-1868), Ekteviede 1858, side 251.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=774&idx_id=774&uid=ny&idx_side=-260
The death of this Jacob Andreas' father, #31 there is something I can't read in the part where they tell the cause of death and it looks as though he was buried in New York?
Kildeinformasjon: Aust-Agder fylke, Arendal, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1855-1868), Døde og begravede menn 1860, side 331.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=774&idx_id=774&uid=ny&idx_side=-328
The birth / baptism of Ane Kirsten Albrictsdatter #20:
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Arendal, Parish register copy nr. B 1 (1816-1838), Birth and baptism records 1826, page 42.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9402&idx_id=9402&uid=ny&idx_side=-43
It says she is her parents' 3rd child.
A Christen Albrigtson was bondsman or groomsman at the wedding of Johan & Ane Kirsten, probably the same as #21 Ane's brother:
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Arendal, Parish register (official) nr. A 4 (1816-1839), Birth and baptism records 1823, page 25.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=772&idx_id=772&uid=ny&idx_side=-28
The account shows Christen is the husband's 5th child, the mother's 1st child. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/10/2013 : 20:18:07
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In the 1865 census Jacob Andreas is named Jakob Jakobsen, his mother, Ane Chistine Albredsdatter (= Anne Kirstine Albrechsdatter), was then a widow, link.
In the confirmation record he was named Jacob Andreas Johansen, #19.
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Edited by - eibache on 28/10/2013 20:25:24 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2013 : 21:45:19
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Below, from Family Search, could this be the same Jacob Andreas:
MARRIAGE
Jacob Andreas Johannessen
Spouse's Name: Regine Amalie Rasmusdr
Event Date: 20 Dec 1876
Event Place: Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway
A son is born
Johan Rikard Johannesen
Gender: Male
Event Date: 04 Nov 1877
Event Place: Hisøy, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father's Name: Jakob Andreas Johannesen
Mother's Name: Regine Amalie J. Kolbjørnsvik
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01117-1, System Origin: Norway-EASy, GS Film #1406071. Reference ID: item 5 p 34
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/10/2013 : 01:48:32
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Originally posted by JaneC
Below, from Family Search, could this be the same Jacob Andreas:
MARRIAGE
Jacob Andreas Johannessen
Spouse's Name: Regine Amalie Rasmusdr
Event Date: 20 Dec 1876
Event Place: Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway
This marriage is #55. This Jacob Andreas is not the fellow born in 1858. This Jacob Andreas' birthdate or baptism date is given as 22 Jan 1850.
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Arendal, Parish register copy nr. B 5 (1874-1888), Marriage records 1876, page 327.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9406&idx_id=9406&uid=ny&idx_side=-318
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/10/2013 : 02:48:38
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> "This marriage is #55. This Jacob Andreas is not the fellow born in 1858." <
Good work! So the Jacob Andreas born in 1858 that you proposed remains an excellent candidate. . |
Edited by - JaneC on 29/10/2013 02:53:54 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/10/2013 : 03:49:56
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Well, we'll have to see if the 1858 Jacob Andreas actually survived to adulthood or not.
In the 1865 Norwegian searching with the following criteria found only five candidates 4 in Arendal, 1 in Østre Moland:
birthplace including "arend" / fodested: arendahl, arendahls, arendal, arendalh, arendals, arendalsogen, arendalsogn, arendalssogn, arendasogn, arendhal
birth year / fodeaar: 1857, 1858, 1859
given name including "and" / fornavn: anders, andreas
These are the 5:
Andreas Ols. deres Søn Skoledicippel ug 8 m Arendal
Sikard Andreas Adolf Ramsland* Deres Søn 8 m Arendal
Andreas Andreass. deres Søn ug 9 m Arendal
Hans Andreas Frøstrup Søn 9 m Arendal
Anders Rør Juell deres Søn ug 8 m Arendal
Andreas Ols. father is Ole Hansen:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f60903&gardpostnr=32&personpostnr=326&merk=326#ovre
Sikard Andreas Adolf Ramsland father is Jonas Ramsland
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f60903&gardpostnr=75&personpostnr=661&merk=661#ovre
Sikard Andreas' birth #13:
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Arendal, Parish register (official) nr. A 6 (1855-1868), Birth and baptism records men 1858, page 14.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=774&idx_id=774&uid=ny&idx_side=-21
Sikard did come to America but can be ruled out based on his naturalization in 1889 in Illinois:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14879-10358-27?cc=1838804&wc=MMV6-WD6:n579880861
Andreas Andreass. Father Johannes Andreassen
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f60903&gardpostnr=123&personpostnr=1176&merk=1176#ovre
Andreas' birth / baptism #16 April 1857:
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Arendal, Parish register (official) nr. A 6 (1855-1868), Birth and baptism records men 1857, page 10.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=774&idx_id=774&uid=ny&idx_side=-17
Hans Andreas Frøstrup father is Johan Christian Frøstrup
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f60903&gardpostnr=200&personpostnr=2001&merk=2001#ovre
Hans Andreas b. Sept 1857 #1:
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Arendal, Parish register (official) nr. A 6 (1855-1868), Birth and baptism records men 1858, page 13.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=774&idx_id=774&uid=ny&idx_side=-20
Anders Rør Juell son of Søren Lemmik Juell:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=17&filnamn=f60918&gardpostnr=276&personpostnr=2074&merk=2074#ovre
Same page as Hans Andreas above, #3:
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Arendal, Parish register (official) nr. A 6 (1855-1868), Birth and baptism records men 1858, page 13.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=774&idx_id=774&uid=ny&idx_side=-20
Two of the possibles father's first name were forms of John, one Jonas and the other Johannes. The other three's fathers had other first names and none had a father name that started with G or had a father's patronymic which started with G. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 29/10/2013 06:18:00 |
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