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jkmarler
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brejohns
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 Posted - 25/02/2014 : 18:37:27
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| I did find Barney Samson listed in the Naturalization database as filing his first papers on May 23, 1888 in Ramsey County found on page 285 on volume D-2. Ramsey County is just southeast of Rolette County in ND. Am I able to locate these naturalization papers through the ND Historical Society or is there another place I should contact? I'd like to think this is our Barney Johnson Samson. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 25/02/2014 : 18:40:05
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| Thanks for the link. I'll order this right away. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 25/02/2014 : 19:40:11
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| There are 2 interesting hits on the Canadian passenger list database 1865-1935. A "B Johnson" arrived on October 18, 1887 at Quebec, Quebec. The second was interesting because this spelling of his first name appears on one of the US Census that we know is our Barney/Borre Johnson Samson. A "Benj Johnson age 25 with an estimated birthdate of 1862 arrived on August 6, 1887 in Quebec, Quebec." A long shot but interesting. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 26/02/2014 : 01:10:04
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I just received a copy of the naturalization papers for "Barney Sampson." I think I found something new about Barney. The certificate says Barney Sampson has been in the USA for the past 5 years and for the past year has resided in Rolette County and it is dated November 5, 1892. However, the signature looks like Borry Sampson to me! He had a unique way of making his B. The last part of the certificate holds the most important clue - it says he first filed on March 20, 1886 with the Clerk of Court in BLACK RIVER FALLS, WI. First link he has to Wisconsin.
The archivist Greg Wysk with the State Historical Society says this about the certificate and search:
"Sampson Barry Norway 2nd November 5, 1892 Rolette F-10 251
Sir:
I saw the above record in the database and have it in a PDF file. It’s very confusing, as it says he filed first papers in Black River Falls, Wisconsin, in 1886, but the signatures sure look very close to me; the way the “B” is written is distinctive. And the first name reads as “Barney” to me and not “Barry”; the indexers had problems reading some of the names.
It’s very possible he filed first papers in Wisconsin, then filed others in Ramsey County when he didn’t need to as there was a lot of confusion about naturalization law. Thank you very much for the clue about him going to Rolette County and let me know if you think this is for him or not."
So does it appear that Barney/Barny/Borry Sampson was in Wisconsin around 1886?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/02/2014 : 03:17:17
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So he has to be in America by 20 Mar 1886, narrowing by at least 2 years his arrival time from 1888 to 1886. Usually the slowest travel months are Jan to Mar, but then the travel heats up so folks will get here in time to find agricultural jobs and put away some money or get their own crop planted.
So we have these arrival years:
1900 census--1882
1910 census--1880
By dint of filing his declaration--at least by 1886
So did you get the copy of the first papers, too?
These?
Samson Barney Norway 1st May 23, 1888 Ramsey D-2 285
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brejohns
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Posted - 26/02/2014 : 04:00:03
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| I only received the final paper filed in Rolette County. Nothing for Ramsey County. I wonder why? That was all he sent me today. I did asked him for the first filing in Black River Falls WI so I hope to receive that too. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/02/2014 : 04:04:28
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| North Dakota is unlikely to be able to provide the first paper from Wisconsin. You'd probably have to get that from either the county or the state of Wisconsin. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 26/02/2014 : 04:11:27
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| Do you think the papers in WI would provide additional information? Is there an agency to contact or do I just check with the WI State Historical Society? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/02/2014 : 05:45:00
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| Get the first papers in North Dakota first and then see if the first papers in Jackson County, Wisconsin are needed. He should report the same info in both-- which port he came into US and approximate month and year. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/02/2014 : 18:53:55
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Henry Hanson in 1920, large family should be some descendants who could be contacted:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MC82-B8K
Henry Hanson in ND Public Death Index:
HANSON, HENRY E 12/27/1951 Bottineau MALE 78 Years 08/02/1873 North Dakota Rolette
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brejohns
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Posted - 27/02/2014 : 02:37:37
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Would the Henry Hanson listed be Alma Helena Hanson's brother?
I'm still waiting for first naturalization papers. I did get an email saying that the SHS has a heavy work load and is behind on orders. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 27/02/2014 : 03:18:53
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Just received word from the ELCA archives that there are no records of baptisms at Ox Creek for the time frame 1889-1906. I had asked about Clara, Johnnie and Bennie's records.
I also received another email from SHS saying they had not sent both of my records, however both of their attachments were the same final papers for Barny Sampson. I'll email them again requesting his first papers. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/02/2014 : 15:56:51
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Originally posted by brejohns
Would the Henry Hanson listed be Alma Helena Hanson's brother?
I'm still waiting for first naturalization papers. I did get an email saying that the SHS has a heavy work load and is behind on orders.
Yes, I think so.
Also a Charles Hansen got 3 homestead of some type in Rolette county.
TC-0175-002 PatenteeHANSEN, CHARLES 12/21/1896 679 ND 5th PM 159N - 071W SW¼ 10 Rolette
--- NDMTAA 015074 PatenteeHANSEN, CHARLES 7/17/1895 1419 ND 5th PM 159N - 071W NW¼ 15 Rolette
--- NDMTAA 015095 PatenteeHANSEN, CHARLES 12/21/1896 679 ND 5th PM 159N - 071W SW¼ 10 Rolette
Here are his 2nd papers:
Hanson Charl Norway 2nd September 23, 1890 Rolette F-10 098
The second papers are a valuable thing for a family to have concerning their ancestor (proof of citizenship) but for purposes of trying to find a possible origin for Borre the first papers are the ones in which arrival date and port of arrival are recorded. So hope the State of ND can get it together and get that copy to you. |
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brejohns
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Posted - 27/02/2014 : 23:56:34
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| FINALLY! I can't believe it. I received Barny Samson's first filing papers for Ramsey County dated May 18, 1888. The Territory of Dakota from Ramsey County reports that Barny Samson was born in Norway on or about the year 1859 and he emigrated to the USA and landed at the Port of New York on or about the month of May 1882. Of all the records we researched I believe Barny's (Borre's) birth year is 1859. His marriage certificate also supports that year. I'm anxious to see if his name appears on the passenger lists for May 1882. Thanks for your guidance. |
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