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DKeighley
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JaneC
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 Posted - 15/01/2014 : 22:33:19
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Almost right....but Ole is Anne's son.
Peder and Mildri are a married couple who have a daughter Anne.
Anne has two children - a daughter Unni Nielsd. and a son Ole Johannes. (both were illegitimate births and this is why the surname differs)
Other names for Unni = Unni Nilsdatter, Unni Pedersen, Unni Bjelde, Unni Bjelle, married name Una Jorgensen
Other names for Ole = Ole Johannesen Bjelde; in Stoughton Wisconsin he may be "Ole Bjelde" buried near Unni and Anne.
inderst = agricultural laborer residing on a farm that is not his own (according to the dictionary on link below). See Kåre's explanation
I don't know Norwegian, btw, but you are asking about very basic genealogy terms.
An online translator - Gramtrans
Below, an online Norwegian genealogy dictionary:
http://www.martinroe.com/eidhalist.htm#I |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 23:25:35
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Originally posted by DKeighley
Did I get it? What does the abbreviation "Inderst" mean?
Inderst means you lived on the farm and had your own household, but had no obligation to work there.
Her father Peder Pedersen "Huusfader" Householder was a "Hmd; Husmand med jord" Cottager/Crofter with land.
Normally a crofter had to have permission from the farm-owner to have lodgers, but in this case it was the daughter Anne with two children.
Well, there were others who conducted censuses.
Unnis father was bachelor Nils Madsen Lerum, she was Nils daughter, Unni Nilsdatter.
A curiosity; Lerum in Sogndal
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Kåarto
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 23:55:05
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I think perhaps I know why Unni Nilsdatter was known as Unni Pedersen in America.
The reason was perhaps to avoid questions why her mother, Anne Pedersdaters children had different lastnames.
This was common in Norway after more than a thousand years old naming tradition.
Unni had a half-brother Ole Johannesen. All tree emigrated to America 1886.
I wonder if Ole Johannesen Bjelde first lived as Ole Pedersen and then changed to Ole Bjelde in USA.
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JaneC
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 01:50:19
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Yes it could be you're right about the name Pedersen, Kåre.
I wonder who this is - Ole Reseland, born 1845, signing up for US citizenship in Dane County, Wisconsin (list is for naturalizations after 1906). He's too old to be Ole Jørgensen Reseland...
http://www.sampubco.com/nats/wi/widane-doi01.htm
Ole Jørgensen Reseland's father is Jørgen Einarsen, is that right?
Kåre I hope you or someone will correct the following if it is wrong.
The first-born daughter in Norway would traditionally be named after the father's mother - and so this is true for "Debra's" Kari:
1865 Norway Census at Reselandsbøen, local parish Stedje, Sogndal prestegjeld, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway
Jørgen Einarsen age 50 born about 1816 in Hafslo, husmand med jord
Kari Iversdatter 46 born about 1820 in Sogndal
Eli Jørgensdatter 13
Ingeborg Jørgensdatter 11
Ole Jørgensen 8 <--------------------------------------------
Ragnilda Jørgensdatter 6
Johannes Jørgenssen 3
Sønneva Iversdatter 35, logerende, Dagarbeider
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DKeighley
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 02:20:21
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| There is an ole pederson in Jackson county after 1906 naturalization but I can't see on my phone! #128555; |
Debra Keighley
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DKeighley
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 04:41:37
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Originally posted by JaneC
Yes it could be you're right about the name Pedersen, Kåre.
I wonder who this is - Ole Reseland, born 1845, signing up for US citizenship in Dane County, Wisconsin (list is for naturalizations after 1906). He's too old to be Ole Jørgensen Reseland...
http://www.sampubco.com/nats/wi/widane-doi01.htm
Ole Jørgensen Reseland's father is Jørgen Einarsen, is that right?
Kåre I hope you or someone will correct the following if it is wrong.
The first-born daughter in Norway would traditionally be named after the father's mother - and so this is true for "Debra's" Kari:
1865 Norway Census at Reselandsbøen, local parish Stedje, Sogndal prestegjeld, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway
Jørgen Einarsen age 50 born about 1816 in Hafslo, husmand med jord
Kari Iversdatter 46 born about 1820 in Sogndal
Eli Jørgensdatter 13
Ingeborg Jørgensdatter 11
Ole Jørgensen 8 <--------------------------------------------
Ragnilda Jørgensdatter 6
Johannes Jørgenssen 3
Sønneva Iversdatter 35, logerende, Dagarbeider
** all the kids are born in Sogndal
You guys are amazing. I didn't know any of this. You have no idea how much you've helped me.
I haven't found the family arriving in the States yet...I'm still digging, trying to see if I can get the ship they were on and where it arrived, here or in Canada. I'll keep you posted!
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 09:29:48
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Originally posted by JaneC
Yes
Ole Jørgensen Reseland's father is Jørgen Einarsen, is that right?
Kåre I hope you or someone will correct the following if it is wrong.
The first-born daughter in Norway would traditionally be named after the father's mother - and so this is true for "Debra's" Kari:
1865 Norway Census at Reselandsbøen, local parish Stedje, Sogndal prestegjeld, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway
Jørgen Einarsen age 50 born about 1816 in Hafslo, husmand med jord
Kari Iversdatter 46 born about 1820 in Sogndal
Eli Jørgensdatter 13
Ingeborg Jørgensdatter 11
Ole Jørgensen 8 <--------------------------------------------
Ragnilda Jørgensdatter 6
Johannes Jørgenssen 3
Sønneva Iversdatter 35, logerende, Dagarbeider
** all the kids are born in Sogndal
You have everything correct 
1. born son after the fathers father
2. born son after the mothers father
1. born daughter after the fathers mother
2. born daughter after the mothers mother.
Further order when it comes to naming is more complicated.
An exeption among others; If a widow married again it often happened that her firstborn son was named after her late husband to honor him.
Jørgen Einarsen was from farm Næs in Hafslo
His father was Einar Jørgensen.
Kari Iversdatter was from Sogndalsfjøra
Her father was Iver Johannesen Tuftenes/Tuftene.
Bachelor Jørgen Einarsen and Maid Kari Iversdatter married Nov. 8. 1843 #27
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 10:08:57
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Jørgen Einarsen, crofter with land and Kari Iversdatter, crofters wife, on farm Haugen. 1900
Synneva Ivarsdatter "FL" Lodger and familymember, occ. Housework.
Haugen was farm nr 2/58, a subfarm under farm nr 58 Reseland owned 1900 by Ole Reseland b. 1846 and Anna Reseland b. 1850.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 11:09:26
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Originally posted by Kåarto
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Jørgen Einarsen was from farm Næs in Hafslo
His father was Einar Jørgensen.
Kåre
Bachelor Einar Jørgensen Næs/Ness married maid Martha Johansdatter Qvam in Hafslo Stave church July 2. 1807.
See 4. column under Copulation (Weddings) ca halfway down starts with;
2. July ungk. Einar Jørgensen Ness and pigen Martha Johansdatter Qvam. Best men; Peder Næs and Ole Jenssen Nedre Qvam link
Hafslo Stave church mentioned 1360 was demolished 1875 because she was to small.
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JaneC
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 14:24:49
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Recap: Carrie Jorgensen (Fisher) father is Ole Jørgensen b 1858 (lived on Reseland)
Ole's father is Jørgen Einarsen b abt 1816 in Hafslo
Jørgen's father is Einar Jørgensen Næs
This could be Einar, below.
1801 Norway census on Næss (local parish Hafsloe, Hafslo prestegjeld) -- Einer Jørgensen age 22, tienestefolk (hired help/laborer), born about 1779. He is working for Peder Andersen, and I suppose Peder could be one candidate to be best man "Peder Næss" at Einar Jørgensen Næss's wedding. (correct me if I'm wrong - I think this position of best man would be the father? but if the father is dead, it could be held by a person in a position of respect or authority?)
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058397000777
Could this be the same Einer? child with father Jørgen Nielsen, here: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050818010549.jpg
For at least 35 years, Jørgen Einarsen b abt 1816 and wife Kari Iversdatter b abt 1820 live next to Sønneva Iversdatter b abt 1830 - could be sisters
A digression:
There definitely are Reselands living in Stoughton, Wisconsin. Elling Reseland traveled back to Norway in ca 1924. Naturalization record says he's b 23 Apr 1879. A couple of other people with definite birth dates could also be traced. Might be an interesting project, to piece together a community of people who surrounded Carrie Jorgensen Fisher, her parents, her maternal grandmother, her siblings, her niece and nephew Erickson, and perhaps cousins and neighbors from back home.
She was not alone! :D |
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DKeighley
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 14:44:25
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This is going to be fun. A lot of work, but fun.
With my father being gone now for nearly 20 years, I've really taken an interest in finding more. And of course 20+ years ago we didn't really have a way to have a way to search these records without going to Norway! Of his family still alive, most don't know any more than I do. All I remember him saying Carrie Jorgensen came over on a boat from Norway, and what he knew ended there. She passed away either before he was born or shortly thereafter, and my grandfather (Carrie's son) died when I was 3 months old. It's all so very exciting. I hope to be able to give my aunt something next Christmas; I think what I have now would thrill her beyond belief! |
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JaneC
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 15:23:22
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Jørgen Einarsen, crofter with land and Kari Iversdatter, crofters wife, on farm Haugen. 1900
Synneva Ivarsdatter "FL" Lodger and familymember, occ. Housework.
Haugen was farm nr 2/58, a subfarm under farm nr 58 Reseland owned 1900 by Ole Reseland b. 1846 and Anna Reseland b. 1850.
Kåre
Wonderful, Debra!
Below, this could be a cohesive family traveling to Stoughton in different years, and could be the family Kåre refers to, above. Probably not related to your family? But certainly seem to be neighbors.
17 March 1900 - Elling Olsen Reseland age 21, born about 1879 in Sogndal registered to emigrate from Bergen. He is "Søn af Gbr."
1901 - Gjertrud Johanna Olsdtr Reseland age 14 born about 1887 in Sogndal, registered to emigrate from Bergen. She is "Datter af Gbr." [just a guess - a hypothesis - that this age is wrong, and she is "Johanne" on the 1900 census, born 1880]
1905 - Ingeborg Olsdtr Reseland age 20, born about 1885 in Sogndal, Sogn, registered to emigrate from Bergen. Occupation "Gårdbr. datter (Tjent hjemme/works at home). Destination "Amk., Stoughton Wisc."
31 March 1906 Ole Ellingsen Riseland age 61, born about 1845 in Sogndal, Sogn registered to emigrate from Bergen. He is "Gårdbruger." His destination is "Amk., Stoughton Wisc." Notes: " (For at besøge familie derover)" [I think this means he's going to Stoughton to live with family - corrections welcome]
1900 Norway census, Resland, Sogndal, next door to Carrie's father's family:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/bosted_land/bf01037345000081
All of this is a digression from your direct family history Debra, but it's interesting to see how people from the same place in Norway gathered together in America and probably this makes a difference in interpreting what life was like for "your" Carrie. You might also check into the local Norwegian Lutheran church and local Norwegian fraternal organizations, could perhaps uncover more about this Sogndal group in Stoughton. |
Edited by - JaneC on 16/01/2014 15:34:16 |
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DKeighley
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 16:36:53
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Ah! Good idea! We are still Lutheran! In fact, I went to Lutheran schools through 12th grade!
My grandfather (Carries son) moved his family here to Los Angeles after watching the Super Bowl on TV one cold winter day in Wisconsin. My dad said it was particularly cold that day and my grandad said, after hearing the announcer say the temp in Pasadena was 80 degrees, "Son? See that place there on TV? We're going to move there this spring."
And they did. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/01/2014 : 17:26:08
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Apropo cold winters in Wisconsin.
A funny story I read.
Minnesota became the 32. state on Mai 11. 1858 and was originally settled by a lost tribe of Norwegians seeking refuge from the searing heat of Wisconsin`s winters.
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Carrie Jorgensen, Sept 1879, Sogn
