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lcarnold
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 Posted - 05/05/2016 : 06:31:01
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My goal is to confirm the birth year of Anne Olsdatter Bjerke b.1800, wife of Jorgen Guillichsen b. 1794 and then to also find the birth years of their children: Anna Margarette Jorgensdatter Rustad, Ingelgorg, Berha, Andreas and Gullich.
Jorgen Guillichsen at age, 7 is counted in the 1801 census in Hurdal, Rustad Lille but the woman he eventually marries died by the 1865 census. Their daughter Anna's husband John Nielson a widower is listed.
As to the F.M. Christensen connection: Olianna/Oleanna Johnson b. 1842, one of the daughters of John Nielson Braaten married Anders Christensen 1871-1955. Their one child was F.M. Christensen.
Thank you for the information that John Nielson was Godfather to Emma
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 06:58:52
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Originally posted by lornejohnson
Jorgen Guilliksen Rustad 1794 married Anne Olsdatter Bjerke Rustad 1800 (birth)
daughter Anna Margarette Jorgensdatter Rustad 1825 (birth) married Ludvig Nels Braaten 1833 (birth)
Hi lcarnold, Here's a family tree that I have not verified.
EDIT: lyndal40 is looking it over. All online trees need to be checked; they often have errors.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bjerkek&id=I55832
My impression is that you are still mixed up.
In.the beginning of this thread, lornejohnson asserted that Anne Margrethe Jørgensdatter (daughter of Jørgen Gulliksen Rustad)married Ludvig Johnsen Braaten. You are now saying - for the second time - that she married Ludvig's father John Nielsen Braaten.
Do you have a reason for your contradiction?
The marriage record can be posted to settle the question, but I don't think you are actually debating the point. I think you've just accidentally gotten your generations snarled. |
Edited by - JaneC on 05/05/2016 17:32:56 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 07:07:18
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Originally posted by lcarnold
My goal is to confirm the birth year of Anne Olsdatter Bjerke b.1800, wife of Jorgen Guillichsen b. 1794 and then to also find the birth years of their children: Anna Margarette Jorgensdatter Rustad, Ingelgorg, Berha, Andreas and Gullich.
Jorgen Guillichsen at age, 7 is counted in the 1801 census in Hurdal, Rustad Lille but the woman he eventually marries died by the 1865 census. Their daughter Anna's husband John Nielson a widower is listed.
As to the F.M. Christensen connection: Olianna/Oleanna Johnson b. 1842, one of the daughters of John Nielson Braaten married Anders Christensen 1871-1955. Their one child was F.M. Christensen.
As a friendly correction,, F. Melius Christiansen's name is not spelled Christensen. Also he is referred to as "F.Melius" not Frederick Melius or F.M.
Regarding his status as an only child: Not sure what you mean. Earlier today I posted a link to a biography of F. Melius Christiansen that discusses his brother (I.e., half brother) Karl. Here is Fredrik Melius Christiansen in 1875 census with his father and siblings: link
This discussion of the family includes a number of primary sources: link
On the above link is mentioned the marriage of Jon Nielsen and Ingeborg Larsdatter. On the following link, John Nielsen Braaten and Ingeborg Larsdatter come up again.
https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/124893-39401-bruker-paa-en-av-raaholt-garda-i-eidsvoll/
They are specifically named as parents of Oleana Johnsdatter Braaten who married Anders Christiansen and became mother to F. Melius.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 16:46:34
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A quick look at the Family Tree from Roots Web brings up some questions. Looking at the marriage record calls into question the data in this Family Tree. According to the Ancestry Record for Jorgen Gulliksen married July 15, 1832 in Håland, Rogaland his father is Gulik Simonsen and not Gulik Jørgensen Lille-Rustad. Calling into question any of the data in the Family Tree. Also Hurdal is in Akershus and Håland is in Rogaland. Those two counties are quite distant.
Looking further the marriage information is incorrect but the birth data for the children could be correct. See below.
Jorgen Gauliksen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Jorgen Gauliksen
Gender: Male
Age: 56
Birth Date: 1776
Marriage Date: 15 jul 1832
Marriage Place: , Haaland, Rogaland, Norway
Father: Gaulik Simonsen
Spouse: Anne Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 126142
This Ancestry Record is confirmed by the original from Digitalarkivet. See number 11.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070620
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Edited by - AntonH on 05/05/2016 16:58:45 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 17:00:48
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Here is the Ancestry.com record for one of the children of Jørgen Gulliksen and Anne Olsdatter. It does match the Famly Tree in Roots Web.
Berthe Christine Jorgensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Berthe Christine Jorgensen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 jan 1835
Baptism Date: 8 feb 1835
Baptism Place: , Hurdal, Akershus, Norway
Father: Jorgen Gulliksen
Mother: Anne Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 123316
Original record see number 21
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061106020426
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JaneC
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 17:05:28
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Okay, so Berthe's birth is correctly stated in the rootsweb tree.
1801 census on lille Rustad shows the Jorgen on the rootsweb tree - born ca 1794
link
I am having trouble with the new Digitalarkivet website. Otherwise I'd try to help there.
Lorne, you stated Anne Margrethe's father as Jorgen Gullicksen Rustad. Probably you have her birth record? She is not included in the rootsweb tree - which proves nothing. |
Edited by - JaneC on 05/05/2016 17:31:06 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 17:25:48
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Ancestry.com records indicate two Gulliks, which usually means the first died young.
Name: Gullik Jorgensen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 jan 1837
Baptism Date: 12 feb 1837
Baptism Place: , Hurdal, Akershus, Norway
Father: Jorgen Gulliksen
Mother: Anne Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 123316
In the original record the father is listed as Jørgen Gulliksen Lille Rustad.See number 26
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061106020439
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Name: Gullik Jorgensen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 aug 1842
Baptism Date: 5 sep 1842
Baptism Place: , Hurdal, Akershus, Norway
Father: Jorgen Gulliksen
Mother: Anne Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 123316
Original record see number 71 , same father
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061106020467 |
Edited by - AntonH on 05/05/2016 17:52:28 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 17:28:52
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The Jørgen born 1776 with father Gullick Simonsen -
and married 1832 in Håland, Rogaland -
seems to be a different person. Wrong generation, wrong place. If you agree maybe we should remove him to avoid more confusion?
Seemingly the rootsweb tree has posted the wrong marriage record for "our" Jørgen Gullicksen Lille Rustad. |
Edited by - JaneC on 05/05/2016 18:06:57 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 17:38:36
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Ancestry.com lists three other children
Name: Ingeborg Maria Jorgensen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1 jan 1828
Baptism Date: 24 feb 1828
Baptism Place: , Hurdal, Akershus, Norway
Father: Jorgen Gulliksen
Mother: Anne Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 123316
Origianl record see number 6
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061106020375
Name: Marthe Olava Jorgensen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 29 nov 1830
Baptism Date: 5 des 1830 (5 Dec 1830)
Baptism Place: , Hurdal, Akershus, Norway
Father: Jorgen Gulliksen
Mother: Anne Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 123316
Original record see number 3
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061106020396
Name: Andreas Jorgensen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 mai 1838 (1 May 1838)
Baptism Date: 20 mai 1838 (20 May 1838)
Baptism Place: , Hurdal, Akershus, Norway
Father: Jorgen Gulliksen
Mother: Anne Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 123316
Original record see number 40
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061106020447
None named Anne Margarethe
And no child named Anne Magarethe found in the baptism records for Hurdal for 1824, 1825 or 1826. |
Edited by - AntonH on 05/05/2016 22:17:20 |
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lcarnold
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 17:46:59
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| Many thanks to all for the information and my apologies for errors. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 18:15:44
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Ancestry.com lists three other children...
None named Anne Margarethe
So birth of Anne Margrethe Jørgensdatter b ca 1825 is not yet found. 1865 census says she's born in Hurdalen. Her marriage to Ludvig Johnsen Braaten should name her father. Perhaps lornejohnson has these?
Here is birth of Mina Christine in 1865 to Ludvig Johnsen and Anne Margrethe Jørgensdatter
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000000706127
Gullick Jørgensen fra Rustad is a godparent.
This could be Gullik Jørgensen Rustad as already discussed, born 1842. On the rootsweb tree he's married to Karen Olsdatter Tangen. On this Norway Heritage site, he and Karen/Kari/Carrie seem to be found emigrating in 1867 under name "Tangen."
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bjerkek&id=I40125
He does seem a likely brother to Anne Margrethe.
lcarnold: no worries. Glad we're straight now.
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lornejohnson
Senior member
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 19:06:20
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Anne Margrethe Jorgensdat was born November 9 1825 Hurdal Lake, Eidsvoll, Akershus, Norway
married Ludvig Johnsen Braaten in 1856 - Eidsvoll Akershus
died October 23, 1903 in Jackson County South Dakota
I'll check on what I have for references but pretty confident on this.
In my cousins Ancestry tree she has Anne Margreth Jorgensdat as daughter of Anne Olsdat. Bjerke and Jorgen Gullikson b 1794 - I can't confirm this information. Most of my research has been on my paternal ancestry. As we know there is a lot of mis-information on Ancestry. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 19:39:39
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This tree is calling her farm name "Kabrad": link
There is a Kabberud under Gjøding in Hurdal.
Jørgen Gulliksen Rustad had a daughter Berthe who is said (rootsweb tree) to be married to a Peder from there.
Find-a-Grave memorial
Gulik Jorgensen Rustad
born 16 August 1842**. <-----------------------
died 1910 Yucatan, Houston, Minnesota
**DOB included on death record
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=rustad&GSiman=1&GScid=82493&GRid=113392633&
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jwiborg
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Posted - 05/05/2016 : 20:39:24
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The Norwegian-American composer and conductor Fredrik Melius Christiansen (1871 - 1955) was born April 1st on Smedhaugen i Eidsvoll, by parents Anders Christiansen and Oleane Wilhelmine Johnsdatter.
He had inherited his musical genes from both parents, but most from his mother Oleane, who was the daughter of the famous local village fiddler John Nielsen Nordbråtan. John Nielsen (1806 - 27.03.1883) was the oldest son on Østby farm, and had thus the inheritance rights to the farm, but the desire to play was higher than the desire to run a big farm, so he chosed to become a tailor instead.
He travelled from farm to farm as a tailor, and played his fiddle at local events in between. He also played the clarinet. He bought Nordbråtan in 1831, and was married to Ingeborg Marie Larsdatter (d.1859, 47 y.o.), daughter of Lars Hågensen from Råholt. John Nielsen learned to play the fiddle by Ole Bjerke.
John & Ingeborg Marie had 7 children, 3 boys and 4 girls.
Two of the sons were also musicians; Jens Kristian Johnsen & Henrik Arnold Bråten (1848-1921, next owner of Nordbråtan). Arnold was only 8 when he first played at a local dance event. The oldest son Ludvig went to America. He was among other things a cowboy and did taming of wild horses. He was at one time very rich, but lost a lot of money during the big depression in the 1930's. But he still had enough money to donate a church to the local congregation. The daughter Kathrine was married to Abraham Johnsen, and went to America. Dorthea married Ole Hansen Klauseie, Lovise married Sigvart Engebretsen Holm, and Oleane Wilhelmine married 1869 to the previous mentioned Anders Christiansen.
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JaneC
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Farm name Lille Rustad - North
