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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 08/05/2016 : 13:32:12
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Originally posted by lornejohnson
Anne Margrethe Jorgensdat was born November 9 1825 Hurdal Lake, Eidsvoll, Akershus, Norway
married Ludvig Johnsen Braaten in 1856 - Eidsvoll Akershus
died October 23, 1903 in Jackson County South Dakota
Here we have an exact, full birth date for Anne Margrethe. Several people have looked, including me, but did not find this birth in Hurdal church book.
It is striking that this is an exact birth date, not an estimate.It must come from somewhere.
The birthday could also be written in a family Bible, or listed in her death record, or published in an obit, or told in private family history files (birth date of one of my great-grandfathers was written in pencil on the back of an envelope in a box in an attic).
"Gullik Jørgensen fra Rustad" is a godparent to one child of Ludvig and Anne Magrethe. Jørgen Gulliksen Rustad had a son like that. Gullik could be Anne Margrethe's brother.
It seems highly likely that the information supplied above is correct or has some truth in it. Maybe there's hope of verifying it somewhere in a private or public notation in the USA - and ditto for verification that Jørgen Gulliksen Rustad is the father of the Anne Magrethe who married Ludvig.
The same is true of Anne Margrethe siblings. For example, Gullik descendants could have Anne Margrethe noted in family Bible, Gullik obit, etc.
Jørgen probate might mention her specifically - although a note that he has a daughter in America would not be a specific identification (as was mistakenly believed in another thread).
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lornejohnson
Senior member
Canada
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Posted - 09/05/2016 : 00:14:38
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| The birth and death dates are from the Interior Cemetery, Interior, Jackson County, South Dakota, USA .... Find-A-Grave. Birth date reads: Nov. 9, 1825 Hurdalsverk Akershus fylke, Norway. Death date Oct. 23, 1903. I've asked the Find-a-grave people to review their source. I've not had much luck with this in the past......but this is likely the origin of these dates. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 09/05/2016 : 02:45:15
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This is copied from FAG. They are giving two sources for this information:
Birth: Nov. 9, 1825
Hurdalsverk
Akershus fylke, Norway
Death: Oct. 23, 1903
Hurdalsverk
Akershus fylke, Norway
Name and yr and place of birth from reading published in Dakota Territory in early 1970's, date of death from 1941 Graves project list
The 1941 project probably refers to the WPA project. Not sure about the 1970s unless a genealogical society published a reading.
Here is from South Dakota Historical Society's rendition online of the WPA readings. It has her death date only:
ANNE JOHNSON 10/23/03 2 1 INTERIOR JACKSON FAIRVIEW
There is some variability in Anne's birthdate. She is age 39 in the 1865 census (which actually means as of 1 Jan 1866) and she is 15 1/2 in the 1847 1841 confirmation posted. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2016 : 12:25:32
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Here they are:
link
Incoming to Hurdal
May 1827
Jørgen Gulliksen Bjerke? age 34
heading to father's farm? Lille Rustad
Incoming to Hurdal
Nov 1827
Anne Olsdatter age 29, born in Eidsvoll
and toddler
Anne Margrethe age 2-1/4 born 9 NOVEMBER 1825
Sweet! 
Maybe someone can help decipher and translate.
Both Anne Olsdatter and Anne Magrethe have notation "do" seemingly means "ditto" to Jørgen's destination.
Little Anne has an additional "do" seemingly meaning born and baptized same location as her mother (Eidsvoll) |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/05/2016 : 13:41:42
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Exellent finding Jane Problem solved
#1 Moved from Eidsvoll; Jørgen Gulliksen born in Hurdalen
#2 Anne Olsdatter do; (ditto, moved from Eidsvoll) and born in Eidsvoll
#3 Anne Margrethe Jørgensdatter (do; ditto, same as her mother) born in Eidsvoll Nov. 9. 1825.
Unfortunately the church books for Eidsvoll were lost in a fire, so Anne Margrethe Jørgensdatter's bapt. record is gone, except for that, the migration record from Hurdal is waterproof
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lornejohnson
Senior member
Canada
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Posted - 09/05/2016 : 17:03:42
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And again you work your magic Jane ! Somehow Find-A-Grave had it right ...I still wonder where they got the birth date. They certainly didn't have the advantage of this forum site ! The cemetery in Interior South Dakota has many family members buried there ....as early as 1894. It could be that the family kept some records ...perhaps there is a family bible somewhere. Are you aware of one Lisa?
Thank you again to you forum veterans that continue to dig through the old Norwegian documents and come up with the evidence. I tip my hat. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 09/05/2016 : 17:22:25
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| Yes, I wonder too how the Americans got the date of birth right for Anne Margrethe. I suspect we have the family's own record-keeping to thank. The Americans have her born in Hurdal, not Eidsvoll - so their info did not come from Norwegian church records. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 09/05/2016 : 19:37:02
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Excellent resolution to the question--good work!
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lornejohnson
Senior member
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Posted - 09/05/2016 : 19:48:14
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Originally posted by JaneC
Yes, I wonder too how the Americans got the date of birth right for Anne Margrethe. I suspect we have the family's own record-keeping to thank. The Americans have her born in Hurdal, not Eidsvoll - so their info did not come from Norwegian church records.
Her birth information has been corrected in my Ancestry tree and I've asked that FAG edit their information as well. |
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Farm name Lille Rustad - North
