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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 30/01/2014 : 04:08:12
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Same record but more information on where the birth city was. Note, Dodge is adjacent to Goodhue County. Is it possible that the first Gunhilda Kristine died between arrival in May of 1880 and this birth in Dec 1882 in Minnesota and died in Minnesota. And the Hilda in the 1900 Census is this Gunhilde, name shortened to Hilda for that Census.
One other thing that probably complicates the search is that they may have come to Minnesota after the 1880 Census and left before the 1885 Minnesota Census.
Minnesota, Births and Christenings Index, 1840-1980
Name: Gunhilde Christina Torklesond
Birth Date: 5 Dec 1882
Birth Place: Claremont, Dodge, Minnesota
Gender: Female
Race: White
Father's Name: Ole
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Name: Ellen
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
FHL Film Number: 1316663 |
Edited by - AntonH on 30/01/2014 04:32:31 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 04:17:51
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quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Same record but more information on where the birth city was. Note, Dodge is adjacent to Goodhue County. Is it possible that the first Gunhilda Kristine died between arrival in May of 1880 and this birth in Dec 1882 in Minnesota and died in Minnesota. And the Hilda in the 1900 Census is this Gunhilde, name shortened to Hilda for that Census.
Minnesota, Births and Christenings Index, 1840-1980
Name: Gunhilde Christina Torklesond
Birth Date: 5 Dec 1882
Birth Place: Claremont, Dodge, Minnesota
Gender: Female
Race: White
Father's Name: Ole
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Name: Ellen
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
FHL Film Number: 1316663
That's it - you've got it!  It's a tradition to name a child after another child who has died. So this can show that the first Gunhilda Kristine died before December 1882. |
Edited by - JaneC on 30/01/2014 04:42:50 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 04:20:08
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JaneC, maybe. One of the Family Trees in Ancestry. has these two.
Gustav Adolphus Torkildson
Birth Apr 12, 1881 in Zumbrota, MN
Death Mar 23, 1930 in Lake City, SD
Gunhilda Kristine Torkildson
Birth Dec 05, 1882
Death Aug 01, 1900 in Vienna, SD
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JaneC
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 04:27:32
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I changed my above post, since it appears that Gustav was actually born in 1881 which at least means that Ellen could have given birth to Gustav in April of 1881 and Gunhilda in Dec of 1882.
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Gust A Torkildson
County: Marshall
State: South Dakota
Birth Date: 12 Apr 1881
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JaneC
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 04:31:40
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Bravo.  So the first Kristine must have died before December 1882 and most likely in Goodhue or Dodge county Minnesota, unless she died as her family traveled there.
The "died in 1880 in Lake City, South Dakota" story is now implausible. If all these facts are on the table in that family tree you looked at, why would this story persist?
from the Dalby Database:
Gunhild Romo nee Gederaas born 1829, died 04 Aug 1889, buried Minneola Lutheran Cemetery. Spouse: Kristoffer Jenson Romo.
Kristoffer Jenson Romoe born 12 August 1827, died 25 Oct 1896, buried Minneola Lutheran Cemetery, Spouse: Gunhild Gederaas, par. Jens Romoe
I suppose it's possible a little baby could be buried here in an unmarked grave, and possibly the death not registered. (Just one possible place of burial.) Sometimes additional names are inscribed on a main tombstone:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Romo&GSiman=1&GScid=360554&GRid=35666767& |
Edited by - JaneC on 30/01/2014 05:19:23 |
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cmtodd
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 07:11:14
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Wow! I'm gone for a few hours and you all have figured out everything that has taken me two years to discover. And more! What an awesome group this is!
Everything you have found is correct. What I hadn't found before was the birth location for the second Gunhilda Kristine. I had her birthdate (unverified) from another family tree but no location. Now that I know that she was born in Dodge county I can look for more info there. And I agree with you all--finding some verification of her birthdate suggests that the first Gunhilda died before Dec 1882.
Jane, I agree with you that the 1880 date on Ancestry probably has roots in family stories or records and may be correct. Since we know that Gunhilda was on the passenger list when the family arrived in Quebec, she was alive then (unless the list was compiled during the voyage and no one noted that she had died on board). If the 1880 date is correct, then the first Gunhilda either died between Quebec and Minnesota or in Minnesota shortly after the family arrived (dying as a result of the Oct 1880 snowstorm is certainly a possibility). I'm going to try to pursue this line of thinking. Here's my plan (comments welcome!):
--Continue trying to find a Port Huron immigration record for the family; if Gunhilda died between Quebec & Port Huron she won't be listed on that document (I've contacted a Port Huron museum asking about possible local records)
--Check local newspapers in Goodhue county for possible info on family's arrival; may list family members at arrival.
--Continue checking Goodhue Lutheran churches for records.
In calling Goodhue churches about a year ago I discovered that there were many new immigrant churches being set up around 1880 but that one minister traveled to most of them from the mother church for baptisms, marriages, and funerals. I contacted the mother church; they were going to look for death records but I never heard back. I'll contact them again.
One last thing I will do is to take all this information back to relatives and see if anyone can provide any more information. Sometimes new information elicits new memories. Kåre, to answer your question--I am related to this family but my name doesn't come from this line. Ole & Ellen's son, Peter, married Olena Christina, my grandmother. The family story is that my first name (Christine) is a variation on her second name.
I feel I owe it to the family to tell their story correctly. Thank you all for your insights and hard work! You have helped me tremendously in this effort!
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 08:48:54
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Ole Thorkildsen, his father and stepmother and brother in Lier, Buskerud in 1865.
Ole was confirmated April 18 1869 in Frogner church, Lier, #31.
Oles father who was at Stustad in Lier married his 2nd wife Marith Olsdatter Febr 10 1863, #4.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 09:11:37
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Christopher Jensen, crofter with land, farmer and Gunnild Arntsdatter on farm Kaldalen with 4 children, Arnt, Eli (Elen) Kjersti and Caroline 1865
His father Jens Christophersen, farmer and leaseholder and his wife Eli Rollufs-Rollaugsdatter on Rømoen østre (Eastern Rømoen) and 3 children, Lisbeth, Peter and Berit 1865
Emiration Hegra in Stjørdal Feb. 21. 1874.
Christopher Jensen Gederaas and Gunnild Arntsdatter, son Jens Christophersen b. 1846 married to Randi Olsdatter with 4 children, right page #1-9
Trondheim Feb. 24. 1874
Not all rec. by name.
Christopher Jensen Farmer and Gunnild, Two children Carl Gustaf and Caroline, their son Jens Christophersen Gederaas, laborer, with wife Randi and a son Christopher age 4, dest Red Wing, Minnesota. Alan line with Steamship Leif to England link
I believe some from this family lived under lastname Gederaas in Minnesota.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 30/01/2014 09:41:16 |
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eibache
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 09:33:12
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I don't know if you have this, but I am posting it anyway.
Ole Torkildsen and Elen Kirstine Kristoffersdatter were married June 7 1876, #11.
Their first child Jens Martines was "uægte" born Oct 28 1875, #66.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 09:50:23
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Find a grave for Gederaas/Romø
Good finding Einar.
So Ole lived on farm Hennum søndre (southern Hennum) in Lier 1865, then Lierne was a blind gate 
Curious why he gave Lier as place of living when he em. via Trondheim 1880 when they came from Hegra.
We will probably never know.
Maybe he was just kidding with the clerk 
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Edited by - Kåarto on 30/01/2014 10:31:44 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 10:48:18
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Ole Torkildsens half brother Anders Torkildsens b. 1865 married Olava Berntsdatter in Lier.
Anders, farmer and carpenter on farm Stustad with 6 children 1900
They sold farm Stustad on auction 1905 to Anders Gundersen Hennnum and settled down on farm Hennumshagen, see Lier 1910
You seems to have a large family in Lier
Oles father Torkild Olsen died 1893.
Oles mother Marthe Haraldadatter born 1821 on farm Sjåstadeie in Lier (a sub farm under Sjåstad) died 1861.
Your Ole was their only son.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 11:33:00
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Torkel/Torkild Olsen born on farm Sonsrud (Sønsrud?) in (Rønnes) Rødenes March. 14. 1816
Parents: Ole Amundsen and Anne Nilsdatter, see 3. from top here
Rødenes
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Edited by - Kåarto on 30/01/2014 13:11:27 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 11:54:29
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Oles mother Marthe Haraldsdatter born on farm Sjåstadeie August 30. 1821.
Parents Haral Xtensen (Christensen) and Randi Pedersdatter Sjaastad Eje
Right page #64
All of the godparents were fom the same farm.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 30/01/2014 11:55:02 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 12:05:20
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Norwegian Tove Elisabeth Gulliksruds family tree from April 2013 for Randi Pedersdatter and Harald Christensen Sjåstadeie.
See under nr 67.....Children of Peder Gundersen and Marte Olsdatter......marked v
Notes for Harald, he was a "smed" black smith, click here
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Edited by - Kåarto on 30/01/2014 12:10:53 |
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