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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 01/02/2014 : 22:35:57
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Morten Olsen, Fjeseth was 24 years when he married. He was born Jan 2 1804, next to the last record right page.
His parents were Ole Olsen and Gunnild Mortensdatter, Fjeseth.
The parents and his siblings in 1801.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/02/2014 : 23:06:40
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Abel Rasmusdatter was 20 years old when she married. She was born March 9 1808. last baptism right page.
Her parents were Rasmus Olsen and Abel Andersdatter.
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HeggeCanada
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 09/02/2014 : 18:12:21
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I was busy for a few days, I'm sorry I didn't get here sooner to thank you again! You've both been so helpful! 
I did not expect to be able to go back this far, it's so exciting to fill in this much of my family tree. When I started, I had doubts I'd be able to find much of anything. There is another family Hegge who if I understand correctly, left the Hegge farm for North America quite a bit before my family. I do not think we're related, but we passed through the same place at different times. Lots of information is out there about this family, but I could never find anything connecting mine to them.
Now I have a wonderful amount of information! I've even been able to find Ole Einarsen in another person's well-detailed family tree! So you helped me find a distant cousin! 
I've actually been finding distant cousins through genetic genealogy at Family Tree DNA and 23andme, but the connection is usually several generations back. Both "cousins" need to know their family tree far enough to find the common ancestor. I may now be able to establish these connections with my Norwegian cousins!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! 
(PS: Is the name "Ole" pronounced with two syllables? Like as if to rhyme with "cola"?) |
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HeggeCanada
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Posted - 09/02/2014 : 23:28:34
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Originally posted by eibache
Marens mother was born out of wedlock Sept 16 1854, #27 - her parents were Zacarias Olsen, Kjesboe and Elen Mortensdatter, Fjesæthplads.
I've been trying to squeeze every bit of detail out of this record, but having trouble. What is the heading on the final column? And is the notation regarding being "out of wedlock" (as you politely put it, lol) in the column containing the parents' names? There is a word or two I can't make out in addition to their names and locations.
Additionally, can anyone provide insight regarding the locations given? Neither Kjesboe nor Fjesæthplads seem to register in a search or on a map; does anyone know what alternate names or spellings might be related?
Can any of you take a look at the other names in what I assume are the godparents/witnesses? Are there any more clues about family or where these folks are from? There was a family tree hint suggestion which had an Elen Mortensdatter born in Denmark around the right time; does anything in this record suggest that possibility?
I'm sorry to ask so many favours, but now that you've found all this for me... I just want to find more!  |
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HeggeCanada
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Posted - 09/02/2014 : 23:59:53
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Oh, wait a minute! I think I found Elen, and not as far away as Denmark:
Name: Elen Mortensdatter
Gender: Female
Event Date: 19 Jul 1835
Event Place: Skei, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Birth Date: 07 May 1835
Father's Name: Morten Olsen
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Abel Rasmusdatter
Mother's Birthplace:
"Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NW9L-TM9 : accessed 09 Feb 2014), Elen Mortensdatter, 07 May 1835. |
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HeggeCanada
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 00:20:49
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So... my brain hurts... but I think Elen Mortensdatter and Ole Mortensen (who married Karen) have the same parents?
Or do they just coincidentally have the same names?
Time to take a break, then go back and re-check names and dates and places...  |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 02:45:45
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Steinkjer and Snåsa are municipalities in Nord-Trøndelag, Norway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord-Tr%C3%B8ndelag
I'll try to piece it together. The red numbers have no meaning, just a little tool to help keep track of who's who.
1 Tomas Hegge born 04 July 1910 in Stenkjær, per 1910 census. (Steinkjer in Steinkjer, Nord-Trøndelag county)
2 MOTHER Maren Anna Karoline Mortensen born 23 March 1881? - PARENTS 3 Morten Olsen Skrøvstad and 4 Margrethe Mathiasdtr. Zakariasdatter
5 FATHER Theodor Olaf Nicolaison Hegge born 24 May 1884 in Kvam, in Stod.Steinkjer - PARENTS 6 Nicolai Olsen, Hegge b 1846 Snaasen and 7 Anne Olsdatter b 1836 Snaasen (Snåsa)
More about 6
Nicholai Olsen Hegge's father was 16 Ole Einarsen Belboeje, whose wife was 17 Ane Johnsdatter
More about 7
Anne Olsdatter's father was 18 Ole Anfindsen Holumnæsset; his wife was 19 Ane Thomasdatter
More about 4
Margrethe Zakariasdatter's parents were 8 Zacarias Olsen, Kjesboe and 9 Elen Mortensdatter, Fjesæthplads. (In 1865 Elen is married to Sivert Johns. Elen had Margrethe before marriage)
More about 3
Morten Olsen Skrøvstad's parents were parents were 10 Ole Mortensen, Vikeplads and 11 Karen Mortensdatter.
More about 10
Ole Mortensen, Vikeplads parents were 12 Morten Olsen and 13 Abel Rasmusdatter, Fjeseth
More about 11
Karen Mortensdatter parents were 14 Morten Zacariasen and ...15
More about 12
Morten Olsen's [Morten Olsen, Fjeseth] parents were 20 Ole Olsen and 21 Gunnild Mortensdatter, Fjeseth
More about 13
Abel Rasmudatter's parents were 21 Rasmus Olsen and 22 Abel Andersdatter |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 03:42:26
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Okay, about Elen Mortensdatter and Ole Mortensen. You asked: Did they have the same parents? I'm not sure. Probably not.
Notice above that the parents of 9 Ellen Mortensdatter have not yet been researched.
The researchers can correct me if I'm wrong please.
12, 13 Morten Olsen + Abel Rasmusdatter had a SON 10 Ole Mortensen born abt 1827 who had a child Morten Olsen Skrøvstad born abt 1854
UNKNOWN parents had a DAUGHTER 9 Ellen Mortensen born about 1834 who had a child Margrethe Zakariasdatter born about 1854
IF Ellen's parents are the same (Morten Olsen + Abel Rasmusdatter), then Morten and Margrethe were first cousins and they married.
But the Family Search birth record (for an Ellen Mortensdatter born 07 May 1835) could be for a sister to Ole Mortensen who is a different Ellen Mortensen from the one who is mother to Margrethe.
Ouch! My head hurts too! lol
One begins to understand why traditional Norwegian naming included the addition of so-called address names.
Birth-Baptism
Born 07 May 1835. Elene. Parents Morten Olsen Fjelseth and Abel Rasmusdatter. SOURCE Nord-Trøndelag county, Skei in Sparbu, Parish register (official) nr. 735A05 /2 (1825-1835), Birth and baptism records 1835, page 77. #18
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070927650250.jpg
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2014 : 09:21:36
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I've been trying to squeeze every bit of detail out of this record, but having trouble. What is the heading on the final column? And is the notation regarding being "out of wedlock" (as you politely put it, lol) in the column containing the parents' names? There is a word or two I can't make out in addition to their names and locations.
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The final column tells who gave the information to the priest, in this case Morten Olsen, Fjesætplads (the mothers father).
In the parents name column is said that the father was "Ungkarl" (bachelor), the mother was "Pige" (girl/maiden) and the additional info says "Begge 1ste Leiermaal" (The 1st child born out of wedlock for both of them). |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 09:32:28
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You'l find "Fjeset" (Fjesæth) and "Kjesbu" (Kjesboe) in this map.
Zoom in or out to your liking.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2014 : 09:50:44
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So... my brain hurts... but I think Elen Mortensdatter and Ole Mortensen (who married Karen) have the same parents?
- based on the parish records I believe they have, see #18 and #13.
Morten Olsen and Abel Rasmusdatter were married June 28 1827.
They had the following children:
Ole, born July 23 1827,
Rasmus, born July 24 1830 #20
Grethe Anna, Jan 17 1834 #9,
Elen, born May 7 1835,
Anthon Martin, born July 27 1843 #14,
Anne Gurine, born July 31 1829 #15,
Raphael Edvard, born April 24 1847 #5,
Bertine, born July 24 1851 #15.
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HeggeCanada
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 17:50:01
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Thank you, thank you, thank you AGAIN everyone!
Thank you for the clarity about locations, and the map. I knew there must be alternate spellings for which to find them, but I could not figure them out.
Thank you, Jane, for organizing everything so well!
Thank you for the additional translation, and transcription of records. And for all the research, of course! |
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HeggeCanada
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 17:57:07
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Originally posted by eibache
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So... my brain hurts... but I think Elen Mortensdatter and Ole Mortensen (who married Karen) have the same parents?
- based on the parish records I believe they have, see #18 and #13.
I do not know anything about culture or social attitudes in this time and place. (I do know that other branches of my family tree in different times and places did NOT consider cousin marriage taboo!)
Would being an "illegitimate" birth lower a young woman's status in the community? Could it impact her prospects for marriage? I considered the possibility that if she were "tainted" by her circumstances, being married off to a cousin may have been her only option???
I would be interested in hearing the opinion of someone more familiar with Norwegian attitudes about these things! This was just a theory I made up in my own head, lol... |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 19:02:36
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Originally posted by HeggeCanada
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Originally posted by eibache
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So... my brain hurts... but I think Elen Mortensdatter and Ole Mortensen (who married Karen) have the same parents?
- based on the parish records I believe they have, see #18 and #13.
Well, the records eibache posted (births of Elen and Ole) lead toward a tentative conclusion. Like eibache, I also had posted Elene's birth to show Ole Mortensen really did have a sister of that name. BUT this does not prove that Ole's sister Elen married Sivert Johnson. For that you need another record, perhaps the marriage record of Elen and Sivert. I couldn't find it, but hoped you or another researcher might find it.
The 1865 census says 9 Elen Mortensdatter was born about 1834 in Sparbu. I didn't see another person who could be her, born in Sparbu at that time, but ...
> "... if she were "tainted" by her circumstances, being married off to a cousin may have been her only option???" <
I have never heard of such a thing. Illegitimate births were common.
> "I would be interested in hearing the opinion of someone more familiar with Norwegian attitudes about these things!" <
Me too, lol. Hope eibache or someone else with more knowledge of Norwegian history will weigh in.
You also asked about this - Seems that usually in birth-baptism records there's a special, separate narrow column just for noting legitimate or illegitimate birth. A Norwegian word list (from Family Search Learning page) lists uekte = illegitimate. More here:
http://www.feefhs.org/guides/Norwegian-wordlist.pdf |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 20:45:41
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For that you need another record, perhaps the marriage record of Elen and Sivert. I couldn't find it, but hoped you or another researcher might find it.
- the marriage record is #38.
Elen Mortensdatter, Fjesethplads, 26 years old in 1861 and her father was Morten Olsen.
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