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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 02/02/2014 : 22:24:57
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Hi, I haven't been working on this, just an interested bystander. I noticed you wrote "Looks like I have a lot to filter through and translate to English. Please, would like to continue to receive any added Olson information especially pre-immigration." Not sure if it's clear that the researchers are investigating whether there are family members surrounding Ele in the USA. If possible siblings can be found for her, then she will be more identifiable in Norway. "Faddernes" means "Baptismal Sponsors." Sponsors can be friends, but more often they are family.
Thus Mathia Olsen could be a sister to Ele. So too Oline Olsen could be a sister. If so, it's possible jkmarler may have found Ele's parents. If it's the same Oline marrying Peter Andersen, and if that Oline is a sister to Ele, Oline's marriage record contains an important clue. It lists Oline's parents as
Ole Olsen and Anne Olsdr. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2014 : 18:50:57
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Following the faddernes has lead me to a very likely possible Ellen. I tried to find Olina Olsen but I had no luck in the 1880 census. Then I went to searching for her married name and no luck there either. Finally scrolled through page by page and found a family in York, Green County, Wisconsin whose last name was "Newhouse". The old man was Ole Newhouse, the mother was Anne Newhouse and the daughter was Oline Newhouse. No Norwegian will have that English name in Norway but there are many farms named Nyhus which means new house in Norwegian. So then I looked for families in the 1865 census on a Nyhus farm, headed by an Ole and Anne and with daughters named Oline, Mathea and El---something and found the most likely folks:
Eli Olsdatter on Nyhus in Stange, Hedmark Norway in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038035000899
Here is candidate Eli Olsdatter's baptism:
Eli Olsdatter baptism #51:
Source information: Hedmark county, Ottestad in Stange, Parish register copy nr. 2 (1838-1879), Birth and baptism records 1857, page 60.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9122&idx_id=9122&uid=ny&idx_side=-61
Eli Olsdatter going to US 1870 with her mother, & 2 brothers:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=9&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=14799&merk=14799#ovre
Emigranter fra Oslo 1867-1930 gammel
Hamn Nr. År Mnd. Dag Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Stand Yrke Fødd år Alder Bustad Reisemål Merknad Utlending Frakt Linje
14796 Oslo 662A 1870 Mai 04 Anne Olsdatter Nordoe f G 49 Stange Kvebek 6172 Norsk Spd. 53 Fauna
14797 Oslo 662B 1870 Mai 04 Andreas Andersen Hoseman m u Arb. 20 Stange Kvebek 6173 Norsk Spd. 53 Fauna
14798 Oslo 662C 1870 Mai 04 Andreas Olsen Nordoe m u Arb. 18 Stange Kvebek 6174 Norsk Spd. 53 Fauna
14799 Oslo 662D 1870 Mai 04 Eli Olsdatter f u 13 Stange Kvebek 6175 Norsk Spd. 53 Fauna
14800 Oslo 662E 1870 Mai 04 Bernt Olsen m u 9 Stange Kvebek 6176 Norsk Spd. 53 Fauna
Re sister Mathea here are links to her marriage and the birth of her & Syver's daughter Sina:
Mathea Olsdatter moving to Vang, #20:
Source information: Hedmark county, Stange in Stange, Parish register (official) nr. 13 (1862-1879), Migration records 1870, page 411.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8857&idx_id=8857&uid=ny&idx_side=-306
Sina, #15:
Source information: Hedmark county, Furnes in Vang, Parish register (official) nr. 13 (1855-1879), Birth and baptism records 1871, page 130.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6001&idx_id=6001&uid=ny&idx_side=-131
Mathea & Syver’s marriage #12 (he incorrectly identified as Peder)
Source information: Hedmark county, Furnes in Vang, Parish register (official) nr. 13 (1855-1879), Marriage records 1870, page 251.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6001&idx_id=6001&uid=ny&idx_side=-254
All of Eli's siblings are also in the same book of baptisms. Rather than putting in links to each you may navigate by putting in the page number on Eli's page and visit each
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pg 6 #32 Ole b. 31 Oct 1840
pg 12, #40 Martinius b. 30 Sept 1842
pg 18 , #11 Mathea b. 13 Dec 1844
pg 31, #50 Oline b. 3 Dec 1848
pg 43, #12 Andreas b. 15 Dec 1851
pg 53, # 41 Andrea b. 7 July 1854
pg 60, #51 Eli b. 25 Aug 1856
pg 73, #54 Berent b. 27 July 1860
Ole Nyhus and Anne Nyhus at findagrave:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=111967628
And Andreas Olsen Nyhus in the 1900 census:
Andrew Nyhus family in 1900 (were in S.D. about 1892) living in York, Green county, Wisconsin:
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Andrew Nyhus M 49 Norway
Wife Inger Nyhus F 46 Norway
Son Albert Nyhus M 18 Wisconsin
Son Arthur Nyhus M 10 Wisconsin
Daughter Martha Nyhus F 8 South Dakota
Mother Anna Nyhus F 80 Norway
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMK2-V4P
In the 1900 census for Ellen Murner her birth month and year are listed as August 1856.
Unfortunately, some of the links may not be working at the moment because of the site work now on at Digitalarkivet.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2014 : 20:09:40
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It's a great find! Some of the links won't open at the moment, but some will. I'll put the transcriptions here just to aid in making the comparisons between Norway and Wisconsin.
Eli's brother Andreas b. 15 Dec 1851 in Stange is an exact match to Andreas Nyhus b 15 Dec. 1851 d 1938 and buried in York, Green, Wisconsin at same cemetery as Ole O Nyhus and wife Anne (York Memorial Lutheran Cemetery). There is no doubt the Stange family is in York.
from jkmarler, Birth of Eli Olsdatter, look for #51
Eli born 25 August 1856 [ slightly off from the American record ]
baptized 26 December
Legitimate birth (to married parents)
Parents: Ole Olsen and Anne Olsdatter
Place name ??t I can't read
Baptismal sponsors are named in the column to the right
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070513140470.jpg
From the tombstone of Ele Olsen Murner:
Born 27 Aug. 1857
1865 Norway Census
at Nyhus in Ottestad, Stange, Hedmark, Norway
******Ole is born in Løiten Prgj., the rest are all born in Stange
Ole Olsen age 51 husfader (male head of household), g (=gift = married) occupation Husmand med Jord (a type of farmer) -- born about 1814
Anne Olsdatter age 46, his wife -- born about 1819
Oline Olsdatter 19
Andreas Olsen 15
Andrea Olsdatter 13
Eli Olsdatter 10
Bernt Olsen 6
Ole Larsen 75, Logerende, Konens Fader (wife's father) e (= enke = widower)
Anne Andersdatter 24, Logerende
Nyhus = Newhouse in English
1880 US Census
York, Green, Wisconsin
Ole Newhouse 64 born about 1816 in Norway, farmer
Anna Newhouse 60 born about 1820 in Norway
next to Olina Newhouse 30 born about 1850 Norway
Anne Nyhus's date of birth on "Find a Grave" = 20 Oct. 1820
She should be born in Stange to Ole Larsen. Can't open Digital Archives at the moment.
Oline Olsdatter age 30 married Peder Andersen later in June 1880. To a Norwegian immigrant the switch from Olsdatter to Olsen to Nyhus would seem normal.
Løten, Hedemarken/Hedmark by Elroy Christiansen
http://next1000.com/family/EC/Loten.history.html |
Edited by - JaneC on 04/02/2014 21:15:28 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 05:03:31
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There is a Family Tree on Ancestry.com. The owner is:
NinaLoevliK
Meråker, Nord-Trondelag
Father is
Ole Larsen Nyhus
Birth 1793 in Stange, Hedmark, Norway
Mother is
Marthe Amundsdatter Ottestad
Birth 1789 in Stange, Hedmark, Norway
Daughter is
Anne Olsdatter Nyhus
Birth 20 Oct 1820 in Stange, Hedmark, Norway
Five children are listed. Oline, Andreas, Andrea, Eli and Bernt.
The line back in time for Anne Olsdatter Nyhus is very complete and goes back in time to the 1700's.
No family line back in time for Ole Olsen Nyhus
Ole Olsen Nyhus
Birth 1814 in Løten, Hedmark, Norway
No information in the Tree about people or life in US.
On Bernt.
Bernt Olsen Nyhus
Birth 1859 in Stange, Hedmark, Norway
Death 1932 in Stange, Hedmark, Norway
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2014 : 05:56:25
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Odd about Bernt. Obviously jkmarler found dob for Bernt as 21 December 1859 and found him emigrating with his mother to America in 1870. Below is a GENI family tree created by M H Nyhus with Bernt Olsen b 21 December 1860 (with the familiar "off by one year" phenomenon), died 21 Jan 1932 in Stange, Hedmark:
http://www.geni.com/people/Bernt-Olsen/6000000013611131697
Just to put the following on the board, Ole Olsen Nyhus's tombstone (posted on Find-a-Grave) says he was born 28 Oct. 1815 died 18 Feb. 1896, and was buried York, Green, Wisconsin, USA. |
Edited by - JaneC on 05/02/2014 14:26:03 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 10:06:54
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
Odd about Bernt. Obviously jkmarler found dob for Bernt as 21 December 1859 and found him emigrating with his mother to America in 1870.
No I found his dob as 27 July 1860. There was another Ole / Anne couple having children in Stange at the same time as the Nyhus family. Also the other bd means it's just barely possible --8 months seperation-- that the Bernts could have been born to the same set of parents. However, I just checked again and there is no Bernt b 21 Dec 1859 in Ottestad in Stange. Here is Berent's baptism link:
#54:
Source information: Hedmark county, Ottestad in Stange, Parish register copy nr. 2 (1838-1879), Birth and baptism records 1861, page 73.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9122&idx_id=9122&uid=ny&idx_side=-74
Interestingly, in most of the baptisms they were listed as residents of Nordve eie. I don't know if Nyhus was another name for Nordve eie or not. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 11:56:44
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Ole's & Anne's marriage #11:
Source information: Hedmark county, Stange, Parish register (official) nr. 10 (1835-1845), Marriage records 1840, page 204.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8854&idx_id=8854&uid=ny&idx_side=-204
His father's name is given as Ole Olsen. But so far I find no Ole Olsen as father of any Ole in Løten 1815-1816, curiously. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 05/02/2014 11:58:07 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2014 : 16:28:30
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Syver & Mathea leaving, also Oline Olsd & Andrea Olsd, Lina (Sina) Syversdtr:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=9&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=23989#nedre
Emigranter fra Oslo 1867-1930 gammel
Harbour No. Year Month Day Given name Last name Sex Position Occupation Age Residence Destination Remarks Foreigner Freight Line
23989 Oslo 61A 1872 April 17 Syver Christiansen m G Arb. 29 Vang, H. Monroe 169 Norsk Betalt Concordia
23990 Oslo 61B 1872 April 17 Mathea Olsdatter f G 28 Vang, H. Monroe 170 Norsk Betalt Concordia
23991 Oslo 61C 1872 April 17 Oline Olsdatter f u Pige 22 Vang, H. Monroe 171 Norsk Betalt Concordia
23992 Oslo 61D 1872 April 17 Andrea Olsdatter f u Pige 18 Vang, H.n Monroe 172 Norsk Betalt Concordia
23993 Oslo 61E 1872 April 17 Gunner Larsdatter f u Pige 20 Vang, H. Monroe 173 Norsk Betalt Concordia
23994 Oslo 62A 1872 April 17 Lovise Johansdatter f u 2 1/2åR Vang, H. Monroe 174 Norsk Spd. 14 Concordia
23995 Oslo 62B 1872 April 17 Lina Syversdatter f u 1 1/2åR Vang, H. Monroe 175 Norsk Spd. 14 Concordia
Syver (written over as Peter?), Mathea, Oline, Andrea and Gunner arrival in Quebec, Sina and Lovise are on another page:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-119.02-e.php?sisn_id_nbr=878&page_sequence_nbr=1&interval=20&page_id_nbr=8830&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&PHPSESSID=7g8v1n9bktkfuq8mavtbeq9og0 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 05/02/2014 16:57:05 |
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jkmarler
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JaneC
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jkmarler
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 22:21:00
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| Funny about those family trees online - they can be such a help but at times they make us run around proving them wrong with research that does not pertain to the family in question! You've done so much work on this Jackie - I'm sure the OP will enjoy! :D |
Edited by - JaneC on 05/02/2014 22:23:05 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 22:36:57
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| O well, it's an important thing to troubleshoot wrong info so that it doesn't develop a life of it's own and live forever, repeatedly accepted but never examined. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 05/02/2014 22:37:58 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/02/2014 : 00:06:44
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| So true! |
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Ellen Olson
