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johnpg
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 Posted - 10/04/2014 : 16:35:40
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Hi, I know this forebear of mine married in 1860 Oslo to Lovise Jensdr but I'm wondering if there is any way of finding out where he himself was born. His father is given as Franz Gysberdis Rittinger so might not be Norwegian. Carel emigrated to the UK where he said his birthplace was Surinam Dutch, Holland, and Denmark but who knows ??? Any help would be much appreciated.
Cheers
John |
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Hopkins
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David Yaw
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Posted - 10/04/2014 : 19:51:52
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John, in the 1861 UK census, there is a record for Carel Rittinger aged 26 born Holland, no marital status given and no mention of a wife, living as a boarder with widow Mary Coward, a grocer & baker, and her son at Southgate Street, Hartlepool.
There is then a marriage record for him in Hartlepool in 4th quarter of 1862 to Mary Farrell or Isabella Harrison. (GRO reference Hartlepool 10 a 192) Maybe his first wife from Oslo died soon after their marriage ??
No obvious match for him in subsequent UK censuses.
But there is then a death record for Carel J J Rittinger aged 62 in 1st quarter 1901 in Sunderland district (GRO reference Sunderland 10a 428).
There are various records for Rittinger - not a common family name in UK - in NE England which might be descendants.
Maybe you have other info you could share with us which might help forum members unlock further clues.
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David Yaw
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Posted - 10/04/2014 : 20:09:14
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| Correction to above post - he does indeed appear in the 1871 census, where he is listed as Chas Rittinger, occupation commercial clerk, b ca 1839 Holland, with wife Isabella and four children living in Vane Terrace, Dawdon, Durham. |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 10/04/2014 : 20:33:48
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I read it as Carl Jaques Johannes Rittinger was born in Paramaribo in "Syd Amerika" South America, see #45
Paramaribo is the capitol of Suriname in South America.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 10/04/2014 20:52:15 |
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David Yaw
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Posted - 10/04/2014 : 20:54:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Kċarto
Maybe I am fare out in the wilderness.
I read it as Carl Jaques Johannes Rittinger was born in Paramaribo in "Syd America" South America, see #45
Paramaribo is the capitol of Suriname in South America.
Kċre
Kare,
Back in those days, maybe people giving their place of birth - and maybe those recording places of birth - were less "nationalistic" about geography ???
So for Carel born Paramaraibo in what was then the "colony" of Dutch Guyana, maybe there was no inconsistency in saying he was born in Holland. |
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David Yaw
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johnpg
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Posted - 10/04/2014 : 22:23:33
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| Thanks everyone for all of this but I do have all details of his 3 marriages and all the children's families. Thanks Kare I do think you are closer to the truth with Paramaribo, Dutch Guyana which would make sense with his other quotes exc ept one. Now all is need is someone with links to that country to track it down there if possible. Thanks again |
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JaneC
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Posted - 11/04/2014 : 01:31:52
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Marriage in Oslo
28 May 1860
occupation: Contorist?
Carel Jacques Johannes Rittinger
age 21 years 5 months
- born about Dec 1838 or Jan 1839
in Paramaribo, Syd Amerika
father Franz Gysberdis Rittinger,
occupation: --?-- master
The birth month and father's occupation (which I can't read) might be clues worth mentioning in your future searching. Good luck. |
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johnpg
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Posted - 11/04/2014 : 11:25:34
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| Fantastic everyone, thank you for these and the direct responses which have taken me much further than I ever expected to get. I would suggest that he was an 'Accountant' or Accountant's Clerk' when he married which was a profession he documented later and although he didn't have a father a such, he said he was a master builder which is probably what it says in danish on his first marriage. Manmy thanks again ..... |
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jkmarler
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Kċarto
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Posted - 11/04/2014 : 17:09:25
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Even though Carel is your target, this may be Lovise's birth record transcription:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4Y8-5BD
She is a very good candidate Jackie.
Lovise Jensdatter was born out of wedloc:
Parents; Artillerist Jens Larsen and maid Andrine Nielsdatter, see on top left page #93
Artillerist in Oslo was on Akershus Fortress
Carel`s occ. when he married Lovise 1860 was "Contorist" Clerk.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/04/2014 : 18:34:51
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Lovise didn't even last the first year of her marriage, #48 68 female page:
Source information: Oslo county, Oslo Domkirke / Vċr Frelsers menighet, Parish register (official) nr. 25 (1847-1867), Death and burial records 1860, page 709-710.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=664&idx_id=664&uid=ny&idx_side=-370
Cause of death: A fever of some kind maybe barne... |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 11/04/2014 : 19:34:44
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Perhaps of "Barselfeber" she died of fever in "Barsel" a child birth.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 11/04/2014 19:35:48 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 12/04/2014 : 23:34:14
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England census, as transcribed on Ancestry.com
1861
Hartlepool, Durham, England
in the home of Mary Coward 59
Carel Rittinger 26, boarder, born about 1835 in Holland
1862 marriage to Isabelle Harrison in Hartlepool, Durham, England
1871
Seaham Harbour, Durham, England
Chas Rittwyer 30 born about 1841 Holland
Isabella Rittwyer 27 born about 1844 Hartlepool, Durham, England
Frances Rittwyer 8 born about 1863 Hartlepool, Durham, England
Isabella Rittwyer 6 born about 1865 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Elizabeth Rittwyer 4 born about 1867 Hartlepool, Durham, England
Mary Rittwyer 11 Months born about 1870 Seaham Nr, Durham, England
Margaret H Dall 13 aunt [sic]
1876 marriage to Sarah Jane Robson in Sunderland, Durham, England
1881
Dawdon, Durham, England
Registration District: Easington
Charles Ruttinger 42 born about 1839 Denmark, accountant
Sarah Ruttinger 31 born about 1850 Durham, England
Francis Ruttinger 18 born about 1863 Hartlepool, Durham, England
Isabella Ruttinger 16 born about 1865 Scotland
Caroline Ruttinger 14 born about 1867 Hartlepool, Durham, England
May Ruttinger 10 born about 1871 Seaham, Durham, England
Annie Ruttinger 9 born about 1872 Seaham, Durham, England
Carl Ruttinger 2 born about 1879 Seaham, Durham, England
George A. Ruttinger, son
a Francis Rittinger born about 1863 died 1891 Isle of Wight, Hampshire
1891
St Pancras/St Jude, London, England
(Here is Engineers Yard and Workshops) <----[this is written on the census]
Charles Rittinger 52 born about 1839 Duleek, Suriname, fishmonger [original handwriting looks like Suriname, Dutch]
Sarah J Rittinger 41 born about 1850 Sunderland, Durham, England
Carl Rittinger 12 born aout 1879 Seaham Harbor, Durham, England
George A Rittinger 10 born about 1881 Seaham Harbor, Durham, England
Frederick Gathercole 36 servant
Louisa J Gathercole 34 servant
William R Gathercole 13 boarder
Australia Death Index
Name: Geo Arnold Rittinger
Death Place: Belgrave, Victoria
Age: 65
Father's Name: Karl Rittinger
Mother's name: Sarah Jane Robson
Registration Year: 1946
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 18038
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
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