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Ted Rolles
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Canada
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 Posted - 12/05/2014 : 20:01:12
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| I require assistance for any information on birth place, parents, marriage place etc for Karin Carrie Grindahl born Norway 1851, she married Ole Martin Olsen ( or Ole Martin Rolles) born : 1858 in Botne Sande Vestfold Norway to Martin Olsen and Karen Olea Wilhemsdatter. Any children born to them in Norway would also be helpful . Some famiily notes and USA census have them as being married in 1884. Thanks in advance! Ted |
Edited by - Ted Rolles on 12/05/2014 20:06:59 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 20:54:19
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Ole Martin Olsen ( or Ole Martin Rolles) born : 1858 in Botne
- "Ole Martin" was born March 31 1858 and baptized Ole May 13, #22.
Martin Olsen and Karen Olea Vilhelmsdatter also had
a son Olaus Bernhardt born March 22 1849, #7,
a daughter Martine Wilhelmine Karoline, born July 6 1851, #20,
a daughter Maren Helene born Sept 20 1853, #31,
a son Matthias, born Jan 12 1856 #7,
a son Johan born Dec 21 1859 #7,
a daughter Bredine Marie, born Sept 4 1862 #43,
a son Ellef Otto, born Oct 14 1864 #47.
Martin Olsen and Karen Olea Vilhelmsdatter were married #12.
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Edited by - eibache on 12/05/2014 21:13:59 |
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Ted Rolles
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Canada
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 21:01:56
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| I have ole Olsen information, I am however seeking his marriage record to Karin Grindahl if indeed it did take place in Norway, any children they had together in Norway and any information whatsoever for Karin Grindahl |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 21:20:47
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Ole Martin Olsen and Karin Carrie Grindahl was not married in Norway as Ole, his parents and siblings emigrated to Amerika in 1865 with the ship Laurdal (see earlier Postings).
Grindal is a farm in Rennebu, Sør-Trøndelag. No birth of a Karin, Karen etc found in 1851.
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Edited by - eibache on 12/05/2014 22:14:59 |
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Ted Rolles
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Canada
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 21:32:53
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| Yes but Ole had traveled many times back to Norway and the story was they had a daughter (Bertha) out of wedlock in Norway. About or within the years :1879-1882 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 21:39:51
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Originally posted by Ted Rolles
Yes but Ole had traveled many times back to Norway and the story was they had a daughter (Bertha) out of wedlock in Norway. About or within the years :1879-1882
Bertha is born October 29, 1879 in Hollingsdale, Norway. Possibly Hallingdalen?
She died 08 Dec 1937 in Scobey, Daniels, MT
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Edited by - jwiborg on 12/05/2014 22:55:23 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 22:40:26
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Here is Bertha in census-1900. She emigrated in 1881.
Her father in the same census.
I found an Bertha Olsen (1) arriving Baltimore in 1881. On the same ship is one Ole Olsen.
Problem is that he is listed as 2 years old..., at least in the index.
Departure: 1880-12-15, Bremen, Germany
Arrival: 1881-01-03, Baltimore, Maryland
Ship: S/S Köln, Norddeutscher Lloyd |
Edited by - jwiborg on 12/05/2014 22:44:06 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 22:51:58
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Bertha & Ole Rossing wedding photo, 16 Oct 1897 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 23:16:44
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Immigration year in 1910 Census is 1882?
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Bertha Rossing
Age in 1910: 29
Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Soler, Roseau, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1882
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: O W Rossing
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
O W Rossing 37
Bertha Rossing 29
Mable Rossing 11
Clarence Rossing 9
Bella Rossing 6
Florence Rossing 5
Lawrence Rossing 2 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 23:26:41
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| Yes, but birthyear is also off. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 23:27:46
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There is a Family Tree on Ancestry.com with the following information.
Carrie Kari Grindal Grindahl Pedersdatter Pederson
Birth abt May 1851-1861 in Buskerud, Buskerud, Norway
Death abt June 1929 in Dalton Saskatchewan Canada
married in 1884
Ole Martin Olsen Rolles
Birth abt March 1853 in Hallingdal Buskerud Norway
Death 12 Jul 1913 in Dalton Saskatchewan Canada
father is listed as
Peter Magne Magnus Pederson
Birth abt 1836 in Norway
Death bef 1936 in Otter Tails Minnesota USA
mother listed a Kari born 1827 in Norway
Now the question is, is this information accurate?
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 23:30:36
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Here is the family from which the Kari who married Ole comes from.
1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Magne Pederson
Age: 44
Birth Year: abt 1836
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Nidaros, Otter Tail, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Kari Pederson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Nor
Neighbors:
Occupation: Farmer
Household Members:
Name Age
Magne Pederson 44
Kari Pederson 43
Kari Pederson 19
Haagen Pederson 12
Andrew Pederson 6
Ingri Pederson 4
Britha Pederson 1
Daughter Ingri born in Norway, Britha born in Minnesota. indicating they arrived before 1880.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 23:34:11
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From what I have found, Kari should be an Iversen, and originate from a Grindahl or Grondahl farm...
Born about 1851, emigrated about 1880 (ref census-1900), died about 1929 in Saskatchewan, Canada. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 12/05/2014 23:36:14 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 23:59:31
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The 1865-census for Gol is lost.
Here is the Kari in question above.
#71
Kari Pedersdatter
Birth Date: 10 May 1858
Christening: 30 May 1858, Gol, Buskerud, Norway
Parents: Peder Pedersen (Halden?) & Kari Nielsdr
Btw; Gol is an interesting place, since Bertha was said to be born October 29, 1879 in Hollingsdale, Norway.
Gol is located in Hallingdalen valley.
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Ted Rolles
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Canada
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Posted - 13/05/2014 : 01:05:43
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| I am in belief that the family trees have been pieced together with suggested hints on ancestry, however dates and names were never followed through properly and they are now possibly compiling information of two or more Bertha's. My first cousin and I have been questioning the validity of the information and trying to locate actual Parish registers, records, marriage licenses or such that will concretely confirm any of the above. Lyndal your second last post @23:27 is a great example. Ole was in fact born in Botne, Sande Vestfold in 1858 so your question of the information being accurate is correct. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/05/2014 : 01:49:47
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So, morphed into a Hallingdal question? Just what I like!
So there is no record that shows how the Peder Pederson Haldeneie was arrived at in the database at Ancestry, right? If we knew what the source was that might be helpful. Otherwise, here is a possibly independent verifaction of the patronymic for Kari, as long as this is your Ole Martin Olson Rolles:
Name: Ole M Rolles
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1900
Event Place: Barto, Soler & Polonia Townships & T.162/R.44, Roseau, Minnesota, United States
District: 332
Gender: Male
Age: 47
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): W
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Number of Living Children:
Years Married: 16
Birth Date: Mar 1853
Birthplace: Norway
Marriage Year (Estimated): 1884
Immigration Year: 1865
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Mother of how many children:
Sheet Number and Letter: 1B
Household ID: 30
Line Number: 99
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: T623
GS Film Number: 1240788
Digital Folder Number: 004120307
Image Number: 00575
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Ole M Rolles M 47 Norway
Wife Rolles
F Norway
Daughter Cary O Rolles
F 14 North Dakota
Daughter Josephyna M Rolles
F 13 North Dakota
Son Martin J Rolles
M 11 North Dakota
Son Olavos T Rolles
M 9 North Dakota
Son Edwin S Rolles
M 7 North Dakota
Son Henning Rolles
M 5 North Dakota
Daughter Marta Rolles
F 2 Minnesota
"United States Census, 1900," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M93G-DV3 : accessed 12 May 2014), Ole M Rolles, Barto, Soler & Polonia Townships & T.162/R.44, Roseau, Minnesota, United States; citing sheet 1B, family 30, NARA microfilm publication T623, FHL microfilm 1240788.
Death record for son Henning, mother’s name is given as Kari Pederson:
Name: Hernning Rolles
Gender: Male
Death Date: 17 Feb 1909
Death Place: Soler, Roseau, Minnesota
Age: 13
Birth Date: 1896
Father's Name: Ole N. Rolles
Mother's Name: Kari Pederson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I09835-9
System Origin: Minnesota-EASy
GS Film number: 2117947
Reference ID: cn 10712
"Minnesota, Deaths and Burials, 1835-1990," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FD6Q-HQJ : accessed 12 May 2014), Hernning Rolles, 17 Feb 1909; citing Soler, Roseau, Minnesota, reference cn 10712; FHL microfilm 2117947.
All the children in this family were born in North Dakota or Dakota Territory. Kari and several of the children also are listed in the 1916 Canadian census online at familysearch.
As to the question about Kari and her family being from Gol, I'm still looking in the resources I have. So far there a couple of possibles but nothing definite yet in the Boka om Gol. But this I can tell you:
1. There is no Bertha /Birgit Rossing, nor Kari / Carrie in the index to Hallingen, the publication of the Hallinglag of America.
I'm going through the Boka Om Gol right now to see if there are any matching families. There were several farms called "Hallen" but none that I have seen (even though it does look like Haldeneie /Holdenet in the baptismal register) called Halden.
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