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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 15/05/2014 : 16:11:49
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Here is a possible Trond, age is about right 37 in 1889 = b 1852, occupation is right lærer = teacher, Grøndal is the big farm near farm Træe in Hemsedal, leaving n. Aurdal rather than Hemsedal, married and headed to Crookston.
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=em03011867tillegg&gardpostnr=21831&merk=21831#ovre
Here is a possible Trond in the 1900 census, age is a bit over but migration year is 1889:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M938-J1F?cc=1325221
Possible Trond in 1910:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M2GB-9TL
And he dies before 1929 (my bad wishful thinking):
Name: Thrond Grondahl
Gender: Male
Death Date: 16 Jan 1933
Death Place: Starbuck, Pope, Minnesota
Age: 81
Birth Date: 1852
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Helene
Father's Name: Iverson Grondahl
Mother's Name: Birgette Tret
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I09882-5
System Origin: Minnesota-EASy
GS Film number: 2242334
Reference ID: 12063
Sources
"Minnesota, Deaths and Burials, 1835-1990," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FD8V-V1Q : accessed 15 May 2014), Thrond Grondahl, 16 Jan 1933; citing Starbuck, Pope, Minnesota, reference 12063; FHL microfilm 2242334.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2014 : 16:41:06
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Good find Jackie, Probaable arrival of Thrond into America
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Th?? Grondal
Arrival Date: 22 Jun 1889
Birth Date: abt 1852
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian;American (Norwegian)
Place of Origin: Norway;United States of America
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Germanic |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2014 : 16:48:51
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Here is the 1920 Census for him.
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Th*Ond Grondahl
[Thond Grondahl]
[Gerard Grendell]
Age: 66
Birth Year: abt 1854
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1920: White Bear Lake, Pope, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1896
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Helene Grondahl
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Th*Ond Grondahl 66
Helene Grondahl 63
Ole Grondahl 29
Caroline Grondahl 26 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2014 : 17:12:59
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Here he is the 1930 US Census. Jackie as you have shown above he died in 1933.
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Trond Grondahl
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1853
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Home in 1930: Starbuck, Pope, Minnesota
Map of Home:
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1888
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Helena Grondahl
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Household Members:
Name Age
Trond Grondahl 77
Helena Grondahl 75
Anna Grondahl 45
Ole Grondahl 43
Caroline Grondahl 36
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Ted Rolles
Medium member
Canada
75 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2014 : 17:25:17
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| Your absolutely right regarding the tanglewood JKMARLER that is why I am a bit hesitant on changing anything in my tree just yet in fear of cascading the extensive confusion even more so. I had upon searching records at times had seen other ship manifests or some form of travel documents. With that said, all being online and the possibility of it being the wrong Ole M Olsen I did not incorporate them into my tree. I originally had wondered if Bertha was a godchild, or illegitimate child he had brought back with him however I think it is fairly safe to say that is not the case from records revealed on this forum. As you suggest going sideways may indeed be the tipping point to concretely rule on the Kari (Iversen, Pedersdatter, Thronsen etc). I look at the registers provided and see so many similarities in names such as an entry for a kari with a father Iver pedersen with a Faddernes of a Peder Trondsen or other such cases and wonder if her father passed away young if she also used her godfathers name. I tend to overthink things and cause more confusion for myself. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2014 : 17:36:56
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Take a deep breath Ted and step back from the ledge...
Just kidding. But you started your query with the information that her maiden name was Grindahl. Where did that specific piece of information come from, family tradition or documentary? |
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Cyndi Perkins
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 15/05/2014 : 17:57:56
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Good morning, all,
I am Ted's 'first cousin', Berth Hansdatter's granddaughter, and I would like to offer you my gratitude for your work. Ted's a sweetheart for asking about my grandmother for me since I hadn't figured out how to register on the website. Obviously, he gave me the instructions. For what it's worth, the Montana marriage records stipulate(d?) that the bride and groom enter their parents' names and most importantly the mother's maiden name. Browsing among the other Olson/Rolles trees I discovered that I had missed my great-grandmother's maiden name in the record of Bertha's second marriage. It is Carrie Iverson. So that should be one mystery solved. Mother told me that Grandmother Bertha was about 1 when she and her mother immigrated to the US. Oh, I think you have found my tree - the photos you have in the forum originated with me. Anyway, I do have a question. Can you figure out whatever happened to Hans Olsen, Birgit Hansdatter's daddy? I'll undoubtedly have lots more questions in the future, but for now, that will suffice. And a HUGE thank you from my heart to yours!
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Ted Rolles
Medium member
Canada
75 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2014 : 18:02:52
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| I believe Grindahl/Grondahl was seen in the majority of trees as well as my cousin had it on her tree so I had gone with that to start the thread. I had no real documentation to go on myself as everything written from family had Kari, Carrie, Karen Rolles as her name. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2014 : 18:03:47
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Hi Cyndi,
Welcome to forum. Since you are now able to get in, perhaps you'd want to start a new topic about Hans Olsen from Aas, Birgit's father. Thanks also for the source for the surname Iverson. Here it is:
Name: Gill Carlson
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Dec 1916
Event Place: Plentywood, Sheridan, Montana
Age: 31
Birth Year (Estimated): 1885
Father's Name: Carl Gabrielson
Father's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Name: Crone Ingebretsion
Spouse's Name: Bertha Rossing
Spouse's Titles and Terms:
Spouse's Age: 37
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1879
Spouse's Father's Name: Ole M. Rolles
Spouse's Father's Titles and Terms:
Spouse's Mother's Name: Carrie Iverson
Reference ID: item 2 cn 914
GS Film number: 1903321
Digital Folder Number: 4351319
Image Number: 344
"Montana, County Marriages, 1865-1950," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F37B-CBR : accessed 15 May 2014), Gill Carlson and Bertha Rossing, 19 Dec 1916; citing item 2 cn 914, Plentywood, Sheridan, Montana; FHL microfilm 1903321.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2014 : 20:15:46
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In the 1900 census Ole Rolles and [Carrie] are listed on the bottom of one page and the children beginning with Cary are written on the next page. Most of Ole's and ?Carrie's entries are obscured by masking tape. However, it does show that Ole and [Carrie] have been married 16 years and that she has born 8 children and 8 children are living. The children on the next page number 7, so if 8 is the number it must include someone else who is not living with the family (Bertha Rolles?). Ole's date of arrival in US is 1865 and [Carrie's} is given as 1880. If this is true--then it is not possible for any person other than Carrie Trondsen to be Henning's mother. IF
The family does not appear in 1910 US census. The son Henning dies in 1909. The family in 1916 Canada census has an arrival date for Canada as 1909. So the family should be findable in the 1911 Canadian census.
Sale date of Ole's homestead might reveal a better date of their leaving. |
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Cyndi Perkins
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 15/05/2014 : 21:31:22
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Hmmm, well that makes four......I'll get the hang of it yet! (messages written and abandoned prior to this one! ;o) Thank you all for the welcome and, yes, Jackie, I would very much like to pursue Hans Olsen's history since the lady hereunder is definitely my grandmother, Bergit/Bertha (ne Hansdatter) Rolles. Mother told me that grandmother was just a baby when she and her mother immigrated to the US. Oh, and the Grindahl came from a family tree assembled by the son-in-law of my Aunt Florence - she apparently did not have the Kari's patrynomic name , only the farm name. On that note, my mother, Lillian, and her brother, Rudy, interviewed and taped my grandfather, Ole Rossing back in maybe 1960 - I have the tape. Everyone present, including my step-grandmother, was astounded when he told them that his surname was not Rossing but Smedsbole, the name of the farm where he was raised. So finding out that Grindahl was the name of the farm where Kari lived was not too surprising. I'm just glad to have found a more traceable maiden name for Ted's and my great-grandmother! I wonder where the Pederson came from - I have seen it in other trees which had Kari in them. Ah, well......hopefully, someone will figure it out. As for the Canadian information, that's Ted's bailiwick and he's been great to share bountifully.
#53 Bergit Hansdatter's, b. 29 Oct 1879
Source information: Buskerud county, Hemsedal in Gol, Parish register copy nr. II 5 (1875-1891), Birth and baptism records 1879, page 22.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1091&idx_id=1091&uid=ny&idx_side=-25
Again, Thank you so much. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2014 : 02:38:01
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| So Bertha Rolles and Ole Rossing divorced? |
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Cyndi Perkins
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 16/05/2014 : 04:17:08
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| Yes, Jackie. That's putting it nicely. He left with the nearest neighbor lady who, with her husband as godfather, was godmother to my mother. I have the Norwegian baptismal booklet which you will probably have seen since you have the photos. . They eventually ended up in Spokane, Washington. I met her when I met my grandfather about 1962 maybe? She was a really sweet lady. Nellie's maiden name was Jergensen/Jorgensen and Ole adopted that name and attached Nels as his given name. The neighbors were not too happy with them, I understand. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2014 : 04:32:08
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| Ouch! |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2014 : 04:48:09
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quote:
So the family should be findable in the 1911 Canadian census.
I had thouight that this had already been posted. Maybe not
1911 Census of Canada
Name: Oley Rolles
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 52
Birth Date: Aug 1859
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Carrey Rolles
Immigration Year: 1909
Tribal: Norwegian
Province: Saskatchewan
District: Humboldt
District Number: 209
Sub-District Number: 8
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Oley Rolles 52
Carrey Rolles 50
Marthan Rolles 22
Olson Rolles 19
Edwen Rolles 18
Martha Rolles 13 |
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