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nealcaspersen
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 Posted - 12/09/2014 : 18:43:51
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that is her as Otto is Caspar's brother, died the same year as her son Caspar.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Well, the grandmother died in 1903, #114 with three sons described as varne:
Source information: Akershus county, Skedsmo lensmann, Dødsfallsprotokoll 4 (Hb 0004), 1896-1904, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Permanent page-link: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/27822/131/
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jkmarler
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JaneC
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 18:49:31
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Looking for a death record for Casper Emil Caspersen b 1858 and supposedly died 1903. Where did you hear or read the story about him dying 1903 in a mental institution? Is that a private family story - or do you have a record of that? How sure are you of it?
Back to say I see Jackie found a possible candidate, incarcerated...
Marriage
Name: Charlotte Mathilde Jakobsen
Age: 29 years
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 okt 1858 (17 Oct 1858)
Marriage Date: 24 aug 1887
Marriage Place: Skedsmo, Akershus, Norway
Spouse: Casper Emil Caspersen
Spouse's Age: 29 years
Spouse's Gender: Male
Spouse's Birth Date: 28 sep 1858
Father: Jakob Jakobsen
Spouse's Father: Hans Andreas Caspersen
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nealcaspersen
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 18:53:47
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from private family history, my aunt travled to London and got the info there
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Originally posted by JaneC
Looking for a death record for Casper Emil Caspersen b 1858 and supposedly died 1903. Where did you hear or read the story about him dying 1903 in a mental institution? Is that a private family story - or do you have a record of that? How sure are you of it?
Back to say I see Jackie found a possible candidate, incarcerated...
Marriage
Name: Charlotte Mathilde Jakobsen
Age: 29 years
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 okt 1858 (17 Oct 1858)
Marriage Date: 24 aug 1887
Marriage Place: Skedsmo, Akershus, Norway
Spouse: Casper Emil Caspersen
Spouse's Age: 29 years
Spouse's Gender: Male
Spouse's Birth Date: 28 sep 1858
Father: Jakob Jakobsen
Spouse's Father: Hans Andreas Caspersen
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nealcaspersen
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 19:04:16
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| possible jail time interesting. Is the Kaspersen vs Caspersen akin to the Scot of Mc&Mac.? or is it a translation thing? |
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JaneC
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 19:09:10
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Re. Kaspersen vs Caspersen - yes, the variation in spelling is of little consequence. Who knows how the person himself would spell his name? Often times the person noting the information (the record taker) is not asking about spelling. Also, we take note of whether we are looking at an old handwritten record or a modern, digital, typed version of the handwriting (a transcription). Sometimes variations in spelling occur when the typist reads the the handwriting - though the variation wasn't intended in the original.
About the jail time - it's just one possible candidate. When a needed record isn't found, next best is to find candidates and then investigate them, see where it leads.... It is interesting that a family story that Casper died "in an institution" could get translated to "mental institution." A person on our tree died "in an institution" having been kicked in the head by a horse in 1930 and suffering severe, permanent brain injury. Many different reasons to be in an institution, which is what you are curious about, of course. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 19:17:57
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There is an actual Botsfengselet parish and I looked through the deaths from 1888-1907 and found no Caspersen / Kaspersen. There was one person of a different name however who was listed as born in Drammen in 1859 died in 1897 but would only work if it was an alias. You are welcome to look:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?ls=1&idx_id=9031 |
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nealcaspersen
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 19:42:29
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| The narrative is Trygve 16 & Bjarne 14; their parents dead. the boys were living with their uncle Otto & Tante Jennie Caspersen. The brothers came to America under protest. Trygve went to live with uncle Ingwall (his mothers brother) & Tante Anna Jacobsen in Dorchester. Bjarne went to Becket Ma. to live with Captain Charles Whitney and Tante Fina (Josephine Jacobsen) his mother sister. |
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eibache
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 20:35:49
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Well, the grandmother died in 1903, #114 with three sons described as varne:
- described as "alle voxne" (all adults)
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jkmarler
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eibache
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 21:16:39
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would Hans Andreas Caspersen be the 1st generation to use Caspersen as a last name, his father being Casper Aslesen?
- most likely since Caspar Aslesen parents were Asle Andersen and Christence Hansdatter.
Capar was one of their 7 children in 1801, link.
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JaneC
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 21:22:27
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| The evidence suggests Caspar Emil is likely living as of November 1903. The boys registered to depart Oslo August 1903. Family story said both parents dead by August 1903. One possible explanation is that the story was told because the dad was AWOL (away and not expected to return). In that case Caspar Emil died in an unknown time, not necessarily late 1903. |
Edited by - JaneC on 12/09/2014 21:40:55 |
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eibache
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 21:29:38
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Here he is as Emil Caspersen in the 1900 census:
Note that this census is taken for Nebbenæs Asyl - (Nebenæs private Asylum).
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JaneC
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 21:47:57
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| It looks like a small place and run by a family of that name. Is that correct? Can you find anything about it, Einar? Are the residents mentally ill, epileptic, physically ill or handicapped? |
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nealcaspersen
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Posted - 12/09/2014 : 21:52:26
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| is the Nebenaes Asylum a farmstead? |
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Caspar Emil Caspersen
