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peterhaynes
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 Posted - 04/11/2014 : 17:48:48
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I'm looking for details of the marriage between Jacob Caspersen and Christine Torkidsdr. That will help me to identify their parents.
The couple had a daughter - Anna Caspera Jacobsdr who was baptised on 14 January 1826 at Saaner Akershus. Anna is my GG Grandmother. I think they also had another daughter - Thrine Martine Jacobsdr who was baptised on 13 July 1834 at Vestby Akershus. I would appreciate any help offered. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 04/11/2014 : 18:27:29
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Anna's birth is #4 on the right hand page, baptisms in Saaner Annex.
Akershus fylke, Vestby, Klokkerbok nr. I 1 (1814-1827), Fødte og døpte 1826, side 158-159.
Born 14 January and baptized 26 February in church, parents Jacob Caspersen --?-- and Christine Torkelsdtr (?)
A family tree names parents as Jacob Caspersen and Kirstine Torkelsdatter, found
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Thrine Martine birth is #63 on the left hand page, here, born 27 November and baptized 13 July
Akershus fylke, Vestby, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1827-1849), Fødte og døpte 1834, side 52. |
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peterhaynes
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Posted - 04/11/2014 : 18:54:26
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| Hi Jane. Thanks so much for this quick response, I really am grateful. I'll get on to the My Heritage site and find out more. |
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peterhaynes
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Posted - 04/11/2014 : 20:13:18
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| Thanks Jane. I've looked through the material on the My Heritage site and there's certainly plenty of it. However, I see that there are no details about the Jacob Caspersen / Christine Torkidsdr marriage and this is quite important if I'm to have confidence in the rest of the research. So if anyone can help me find that marriage then I shall be very grateful. |
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eibache
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Posted - 04/11/2014 : 21:21:17
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Jacob Caspersen, Huusebye and Elen Kirstine Torkelsdatter, Huusebye were married Oct 23 1824, #6.
No fathers are listed.
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eibache
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Posted - 04/11/2014 : 21:28:30
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Jacob Caspersen was 24 years old at the marriage, his baptismal record is Next to the last record on right page.
His father was Casper Randem.
Jacob, his parents and siblings in 1801.
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eibache
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Posted - 04/11/2014 : 21:54:10
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Elen Kisrtine Torkelsdatter was 17 years old at the marriage.
Her baptismal record is most likely the one of Sept 6 1807 4th record on left page.
Her parents were Torkild Holmsen, Narvestad and Maria Ellefsdatter, Oddestad.
Thorchel Holmsen and his father in 1801.
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peterhaynes
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Posted - 04/11/2014 : 23:05:10
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| Hi Einar. Thank you so much for all that you have provided me. It's much more than I hoped to get and I'm just so pleased. Thanks again. |
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eibache
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Posted - 05/11/2014 : 09:05:13
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Thorchel Holmsens parents, Holm Terchelsen, Bierve and Marthe Gunnersdatter, Narvestad, were married Oct 18 1772, 4th from bottom of right page.
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eibache
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Posted - 05/11/2014 : 13:56:27
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Torkild Holmsen was baptized Febr 20 1780, 3rd record left page.
The father is named Holm Narvestad, mothers name is not given.
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peterhaynes
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Posted - 05/11/2014 : 17:23:02
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| Hi Einar. Once again, many thanks for all the material you have provided me. I think I need to understand more about the use of "farm" names and I've found material on the net to help with that. Meantime the material you have sent gives an example of my difficulty. In the baptismal record for Torkild his father is named Holm Narvestad. At his marriage his father is named Holm Techelsen. The census return shows his name Holm Thorchelsen. My question is - to track this man down, what name should I be using? Any advice would be appreciated. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/11/2014 : 21:06:26
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Holm was confirmed in Hobøl Church Sunday after easter 1760 as Holm Torchildsen Bierve age 17, see right page 3rd from bottom link
Høbøl church from 1175.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/11/2014 : 21:15:42
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He was bapt. Holm Torchildsen in Hobøl Church Nov. 24. 1743, his father was Torchild Bierve, see left page #40
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eibache
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Posted - 05/11/2014 : 21:48:29
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Torkild his father is named Holm Narvestad. At his marriage his father is named Holm Techelsen. The census return shows his name Holm Thorchelsen. My question is - to track this man down, what name should I be using?
Ministers and censustakers wrote the names the way they thought were right. Therefore you will find different spellings. In the case of Torkilds son you can choose between Torkildsen, Torkelsen, Terchelsen, Therchelsen and maybe more.
When the farm name is used as the last name, they will not end with "sen". Examples Narvestad, Bierve, Oddestad.
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JaneC
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Posted - 05/11/2014 : 23:27:36
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To add a little to eibache's explanation of names:
In earlier generations spelling was not standardized as we now presume it should be. Standardized spelling is a relatively modern innovation.
A person had a first name (maybe middle name) plus patronymic name. These are lifelong.
As further identification an address was often added to the name. The address wasn't lifelong. It changed when the person moved.
As we do nowadays, people used shortened versions of names. The patronymic or the address might be omitted in a written record. In Norwegian genealogies, one often sees listed the alternate versions of the person's name.
Hope that helps. |
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peterhaynes
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Posted - 06/11/2014 : 00:09:06
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| Kare, Einar and Jane. My thanks to each of you for this and all your previous assistance. I can now see the logic of how the names changed, it was not so clear to me before. I know that I've still got a lot to learn but I feel a lot more confident in taking this study further now. Should I get stuck, I will certainly come back for help. |
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