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lisadelozier
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lisadelozier
Junior member
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36 Posts |
Posted - 26/02/2015 : 16:53:53
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quote: Originally posted by JaneC
Hi Lisa, you ask about Emma's siblings. Look at the bottom of the latest post. See the blue bar? At the left on that bar, see the word "Page." We are on page 4. Click the arrow beside the 4 to change to page 1. Page 1 will then pop up. You can read it, then click again to go to page 2, then page 3. As you read through the thread, you'll see Emma's siblings repeatedly mentioned (Mathia, Ole, Hans, Iver, John, and Anne). Often contributors have posted links. Be sure to click on each link to find the relevant record or information. Realize that contributors post info as we find it. It is not posted in an organized way. It will be up to you to keep track of the info in an organized way, such as on a family tree.
About Louis Larson and his Norwegian roots: you ask a good question, just right for Norway Heritage forum. But Louis's ancestry has nothing to do with Emma Moen. She is not related to him until 1909, and then only as an in-law. This thread was started by Elena to find out about Emma's birth family and ancestors. Much, much more study of that is possible. The research on Elena's question can continue until she signals us, "That's enough!"
Right now the thread has taken a big detour. Readers would have to skip over all the Louis Larsen posts to get back to where we were talking about Emma's family.
May I respectfully suggest you start your own, new thread asking about Louis Larsen. You will get more response that way. Some additional contributors will read your new question and answer.
As you can see so far, Louis O Larson needs to be fully described in order that he not be confused with other similar people. You mention you have found him in the US census. So you'd want to post the census records you have. That's the most effective way to describe someone. That's a way of saying, "I'm talking about the Louis in THIS census record." Forum contributors will always post any record we find. A record might not have new info in it, but at least it clarifies we are discussing THIS family in this record posted.
A person's parents are often named in his death record. Be sure to mention if you have ordered a copy of the original of Louis's death record. After all, you seem to know when and where he died. The forum needs those parents's names to identify the right Louis in Norway. Again, you already have an example that two similar Louis can get mixed up. More info about Louis from the USA is needed.
Louis's place of origin (birth place) may be named in his naturalization records (Declaration of Intent has more info than Final Papers). Have you got that?
Louis is the right age to be registered for the World War I draft. His draft registration will tell his full birth date (day, month, year). Sometimes it tells birth place as well. Have you found Louis's World War I draft registration? If so, type up the information in it and post that. If you don't, someone else will have to do that.
You may not realize, but very few at Norway Heritage have access to Ancestry.com. I bet you subscribe, or did in the past. You may have records that seem easy to find - why post them? What a bother. But realize those records aren't easily accessible to many Norway Heritage contributors who specialize in Norwegian records - and those are you can help those people to help you.
Couple last comments about posting. Currently you are quoting previous posts every time you post. The quotes are long and readers must scan a lot of text to find your new comment. You can post without quoting if you wish. Use the blank, white message box at the bottom of the page.
Any post we make can be deleted. If twere me, I'd delete the Louis Larson posts here and start over in a new thread with a solid, well filled out description of each detail you've found and research effort to date. There is no right answer - it's just filling in as much as you can.
Another option is that you can edit your posts. Where you mistakenly said one thing, meant another, you can revise your original lines.
I will leave this post up a little while, then delete it. Hope it's ok I offered advice - I do think you've come to the right place to learn more about Louis, and the hints are meant to help with that.
;-)
I apologized for the confused . Yeah Please humm Ill go on a new post for this!
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lisadelozier
Junior member
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Posted - 26/02/2015 : 16:59:42
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quote: Originally posted by JaneC
Hi Lisa, you ask about Emma's siblings. Look at the bottom of the latest post. See the blue bar? At the left on that bar, see the word "Page." We are on page 4. Click the arrow beside the 4 to change to page 1. Page 1 will then pop up. You can read it, then click again to go to page 2, then page 3. As you read through the thread, you'll see Emma's siblings repeatedly mentioned (Mathia, Ole, Hans, Iver, John, and Anne). Often contributors have posted links. Be sure to click on each link to find the relevant record or information. Realize that contributors post info as we find it. It is not posted in an organized way. It will be up to you to keep track of the info in an organized way, such as on a family tree.
About Louis Larson and his Norwegian roots: you ask a good question, just right for Norway Heritage forum. But Louis's ancestry has nothing to do with Emma Moen. She is not related to him until 1909, and then only as an in-law. This thread was started by Elena to find out about Emma's birth family and ancestors. Much, much more study of that is possible. The research on Elena's question can continue until she signals us, "That's enough!"
Right now the thread has taken a big detour. Readers would have to skip over all the Louis Larsen posts to get back to where we were talking about Emma's family.
May I respectfully suggest you start your own, new thread asking about Louis Larsen. You will get more response that way. Some additional contributors will read your new question and answer.
As you can see so far, Louis O Larson needs to be fully described in order that he not be confused with other similar people. You mention you have found him in the US census. So you'd want to post the census records you have. That's the most effective way to describe someone. That's a way of saying, "I'm talking about the Louis in THIS census record." Forum contributors will always post any record we find. A record might not have new info in it, but at least it clarifies we are discussing THIS family in this record posted.
A person's parents are often named in his death record. Be sure to mention if you have ordered a copy of the original of Louis's death record. After all, you seem to know when and where he died. The forum needs those parents's names to identify the right Louis in Norway. Again, you already have an example that two similar Louis can get mixed up. More info about Louis from the USA is needed.
Louis's place of origin (birth place) may be named in his naturalization records (Declaration of Intent has more info than Final Papers). Have you got that?
Louis is the right age to be registered for the World War I draft. His draft registration will tell his full birth date (day, month, year). Sometimes it tells birth place as well. Have you found Louis's World War I draft registration? If so, type up the information in it and post that. If you don't, someone else will have to do that.
You may not realize, but very few at Norway Heritage have access to Ancestry.com. I bet you subscribe, or did in the past. You may have records that seem easy to find - why post them? What a bother. But realize those records aren't easily accessible to many Norway Heritage contributors who specialize in Norwegian records - and those are you can help those people to help you.
Couple last comments about posting. Currently you are quoting previous posts every time you post. The quotes are long and readers must scan a lot of text to find your new comment. You can post without quoting if you wish. Use the blank, white message box at the bottom of the page.
Any post we make can be deleted. If twere me, I'd delete the Louis Larson posts here and start over in a new thread with a solid, well filled out description of each detail you've found and research effort to date. There is no right answer - it's just filling in as much as you can.
Another option is that you can edit your posts. Where you mistakenly said one thing, meant another, you can revise your original lines.
I will leave this post up a little while, then delete it. Hope it's ok I offered advice - I do think you've come to the right place to learn more about Louis, and the hints are meant to help with that.
;-)
I am still want to search Emma too, Emma was name stand from norway is what? was it Marit? sorry i am easy to get confused. thanks. Have a nice day |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/02/2015 : 17:19:32
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Emma's name in Norway was Embjør. Her father was Ole so she was an Olsdatter. They lived on Turmoen farm and when they came to America they wanted to remember where they lived with their name so they shortened Turmoen to Moen. Because American naming customs were different that Norway's every immigrant had to go through the process of getting a functional name in America--one that didn't confuse the Yankees! |
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lisadelozier
Junior member
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Posted - 27/02/2015 : 03:06:05
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quote: Originally posted by jkmarler
Emma's name in Norway was Embjør. Her father was Ole so she was an Olsdatter. They lived on Turmoen farm and when they came to America they wanted to remember where they lived with their name so they shortened Turmoen to Moen. Because American naming customs were different that Norway's every immigrant had to go through the process of getting a functional name in America--one that didn't confuse the Yankees!
okay that make sense. have to look for her mom and dad on the family search once more. so her dad is ole olsen and mother is eli johnsdatter correct? do you know their birth date and year? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/02/2015 : 19:49:54
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A question was raised about our having little info on Emma's dad, Ole Olsen Moen. Actually a lot has been posted. Below, only the 1875 and 1905 census haven't been previously posted.
RECAP
1854 marriage for Ole O Moen says his father Ole Olsen, Eli Johnsdatter father John Johnsen: posted
Birth records for Ole children: some are posted
1865 Norway census says Ole Olsen (Turmoen or Moen) was born in Vaage; says Eli Johnsdatter born in Lom: posted
1870 emigration record for Ole O Moen: posted
1875 Minnesota State Census * 01 May 1875 town of Linden, Brown county, Minnesota Ole O Moen age 56, born in Norway about 1819 (his family is not with him)
Ole's wife Eli and children didn't emigrate until 1876; he had traveled ahead of them to USA
NOTE about 1880 US census in Albin, below * This census record is so faint and hard to read that errors in the transcription are likely. Bear in mind that the transcribed (typed up) version is not the same as the original. A transcription is just someone's best effort to read and interpret the old handwriting.
1880 US census: previously posted Albin, Brown, Minnesota Ole O Moen age 50 Ellen Moen 43 Iver Moen 18 Anna Moen 16 John Moen 12 Emma Moen 8
11 OCTOBER 1880 Albin, Brown, Minnesota Emma O Moen marries Amund Larson previously posted
1885 Minnesota state census: previously posted Albin, Brown, Minnesota Ole O Moen age 67 b Norway Eli O Moen age 62 b Norway Hans O Moen age 32 b Norway Kari O Moen age 31 b Norway Ella Marie Moen age 3 b Minnesota
The older sister Marit Moen and her husband Hans Larson and their children are in this same 1885 census and with them is an Ole Moen, possibly the brother Ole.
Almost nothing remains of the 1890 US census.
Ole O Moen (1818-1894) tombstone inscribed with his birth and death dates: posted
1905 Minnesota State Census (R.F.D. #3) Albin, Brown, Minnesota Hans O Moen 52, born in Norway <----- this would be Emma's brother Kari Moen 51, born in Norway Ella Marie Moen 23 born Minnesota Oliver Syver Moen 19 born Minnesota Anver Bennie Moen 12 born Minnesota Ali Moen, age 84, b Norway <-------------this would be Eli Johnsdatter Moen
Eli J Moen (1823-1908) tombstone inscribed with birth and death dates: posted
Eli Moen 1908 death record: posted
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Edited by - JaneC on 01/03/2015 00:53:50 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/03/2015 : 17:00:59
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In the 1854 marriage record for Eli and Ole, she is called Eli Johnsdatter Rydningen, and her father's name is given as John Johnsen. Find'a-Grave gives her birth date as 15 August 1823.
Below, birth of Ellie Johnsdatter, born 13 August 1824 at Garmo in Lom, Lom, Oppland. Parents are John Johnsen, Rydningen Rødningen and Marie Nilsdatter. A location name between John and Marie is hard to read (Lyngaard?). Source: Births, Garmo i Lom, side 16, see #8: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb10040807091017.jpg
A Geni family tree says John (or Jon) Johnsen was born 1797, parents Jon Hansen (1753-1819) and Ingeborg Knutsdatter (1759- ).
Geni family tree says Mari Nilsdatter was born 1792, parents Nils Larsen (1759-1808) and Eli Eriksdatter (1761-1829).
More research needed to check out the accuracy of the Geni tree.
Eli's 1908 death record can be inexpensively ordered from Minnesota Historical Society online. It should or may tell her parents' names, to confirm the above birth record.
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Edited by - JaneC on 02/03/2015 00:49:33 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2015 : 17:32:39
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I think it's an abbreviation of the farm name Lyngvergaard as is seen in the next column immediately to the right of the same line in the record. John is a husman on that farm whatever the name of it is. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/03/2015 : 18:42:08
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Thanks Jackie.
And maybe here's Mari Nielsdatter (mother of Eli Johnsdatter 1823-1908) as a little girl (need Mari's marriage record to confirm her father's name):
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058251000965
1801 Norway census Residence/farm/property: Frisvold in Lom Niels Larsen 48 Eli Eriksdatter 42 Mari Nielsdatter 9
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And maybe here's Jon Jonsen (father of Eli Johnsdatter) as a child: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058251001309
1801 Norway census Residence/farm/property: Kiæstad in Lom, Oppland Jon Hansen 49 Embiør Knutsdatter 41 Kari Jonsdatter 15 Knuth Jonsen 13 Jon Jonsen 7 Mari Jonsdatter 3
On this link is a discussion (in Norwegian) of the above family (focused on Kari). Knowing hardly any Norwegian, I'm limited. Think it says the family came from Vaage to Lom, lived at Kiæstad in 1801, moved to Lyngve, and the parents lived out their days at Lyngve: http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=100916
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/03/2015 : 22:29:46
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quote: I think it's an abbreviation of the farm name Lyngvergaard as is seen in the next column immediately to the right of the same line in the record. John is a husman on that farm whatever the name of it is.
The parents of Ellie was John Johnsen, Rødningen, Huusmand under Lyngved and Marie Nielsdatter. Name of the farm today is Lyngve.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/03/2015 : 02:13:12
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Thanks Einar.
Marriage 29 December 1821 Garmo i Lom, Lom, Oppland John Johnsen, age 26, to Marie Nielsdatter, age 30 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb10040807091184.jpg
John and Marie are Eli Johnsdatter's parents - and Emma Olsdatter Moen's maternal grandparents
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Edited by - JaneC on 02/03/2015 10:57:21 |
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lisadelozier
Junior member
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Posted - 02/03/2015 : 16:59:46
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thank you for letting us eli's parent as a Emma's grandparents also. I am sure Elena would appreicate this. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/03/2015 : 20:25:43
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You're welcome! Next to find Ole Olsen Moen birth. 1865 census says he was born in Vaage. Find a Grave says he was born 16 Oct 1818. His marriage record says his dad is also named Ole Olsen. In Vaage church book is an Ole born 1818 and baptized 16 Oct 1818 (not born 16 Oct). I am having trouble reading the father. Maybe someone else will find Ole's birth. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/03/2015 : 23:07:20
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Jane, I have a strong feeling he is the right Ole.
Ole Olsen b. Oct. 10 bapt. Oct. 16. 1818 in Vågå (Vaage) was born on farm Lineje (Lineie) øvre (upper Lineie) His parents were Ole Olsen and Ingeborg Iversdatter "Inderste" tenants on farm Lieneje, øvre.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/03/2015 : 23:10:06
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Thanks for helping Kåre. |
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