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LCampbell
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 Posted - 19/05/2015 : 03:44:06
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| It has been difficult to research because Lars died in 1893 and I believe Kari might have been admitted to St. Peter's hospital in Minnesota very shortly after his death. I found my grandfather living with another family in Odin in1895 at age 13 and as a boarder in the 1900 census at the age of 18. |
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LCampbell
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 03:48:18
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| I have created family trees on ancestry but have not made them public as I could not verify what I thought. This is providing verification for many things and I will post the tree once I know for sure that this is all verified. Mary Larson Serkland was the key to much of this. Someone in her family had done some research but did not list the sources. They were more interested in the Serkland family side. And as I mentioned, it was hard to link her side. Her daughter and my father were cousins. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 04:08:44
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Here is the family leaving from Bergen in May 1880:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000662456
Name is transcribed as Lars Hanssen Synsnaes and Kari and children. Click on "Next" to see each individual record. Kari's age is incorrectly transcribed.
It's the same family leaving Lom April 29. This farm name now appears as they board a ship in Bergen - and this is the place where Amund Larsen lived in 1865 with widowed father Lars Hansen. So this seemingly confirms that Amund and Mari/Mary have the same father. ;-)
The sources you give for "Rusten" are impeccable. There is a farm Rusten in Lom.
Why a given farm name is chosen by an immigrant can sometimes be a bit of a mystery. More research might uncover the reason for "Rusten" for your family.
Reason I mentioned I saw no parent info for Mary on the tree was just to clarify that you are our only source for US info so far for Lars and Kari and co. We always have to tie US family to Norway family - and "Rusten" was not helping. I was not hoping for a tree - not asking you to post one.
Recently Ancestry acquired the Evangelical Lutheran Church Archives. You can thumb through the church book at St Olaf for additional family clues.
I am sorry to hear of the family difficulties. We can find out more about Kari, but this is enough for today.
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Edited by - JaneC on 19/05/2015 04:09:50 |
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LCampbell
Junior member
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 04:11:09
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| Yes, thank you so much! |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 05:01:43
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Here is the arrival of Lars and family into New York. If you have a subscrption to Ancestry.com you can take a look at the original manifest. The transcription of the names is a little off but if you look at the original you can see Lars, Kari and children.
See numbers 136 to 141.
Lars Hiensen in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Lars Hiensen
Arrival Date: 7 Jun 1880
Birth Date: abt 1822
Age: 58
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Victoria
Search Ship Database: Search for the Victoria in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
There is
Lars Hunsen sp? 58
Kudie sp? 28
Lars Larsen 8
Mari 6
Peder 4
Kari 2 |
Edited by - AntonH on 19/05/2015 06:23:12 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 06:11:40
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Some of the issues with this family in the US is the variability in the use of names. They seem to use a variety of names. Lars, Hans, Hansen, Larsen and Rusten. This is likely the family in the 1885 Minnesota State Census.
Hans Hanson in the Minnesota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
Name: Hans Hanson
Age: 62
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Watonwan
Locality: Odin
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Race: White
LINE: 26
Roll: MNSC_31
Family is listed as
Hans Hanson age 62
Kari Hanson age 55
Lars Hanson age 13
Mary Hanson age 11
Peter Hanson age 9
All born in Norway
Sigurd Hanson age 3
Born in Minnesota
There should be a Kari age 7 in there but I do not see her in the original census record |
Edited by - AntonH on 19/05/2015 06:18:48 |
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snuppaelena
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 08:46:01
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| I am so excited to read all of these findings. Maybe even linking some families together come from the same lineage! |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 11:59:59
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Hi snuppaelena, glad you're back!
lyndal40 seems to have the family arriving in New York. Agreed the 1880 census could be correct family with a mistake in Lars's name, and a very old post by (presumably) lcampbell selects that same census. Need more data to know how that census was selected, more info on Sigurd (preferably posted record-style rather than paragraph-style where possible) -- info tying lcampbell's Sigurd to that particular 1880 family. For example, are the siblings of Sigurd known in the family lore - or were the siblings guessed at based on that census? Is Sigurd's birth place known in the family, or from a US record - or is the birth place guessed at from that 1880 census?
It's common to underestimate the necessity of USA info to establish Norway roots. Also common to know, in one's own mind, much info while overlooking that forum researchers haven't reviewed those findings.
Early in this thread we had Hans Larsen marrying Marit Olsdatter, Moen (Turmoen), Emma Moen's sister. Hans ties some loose ends together, I think. I have to be off early, need to check this - think Hans is brother to Amund Larsen (Emma Moen husband) and half-brother to the children of Lars Hansen and Kari Olsdatter.
That is, I think two brothers married two sisters.
A Genealogy.com post by a descendant refers to Hans Larsen Rusten and gives same date of birth, in Lom, as the Hans in this family (son of Lars Hansen, Sønstenæseiet).
No US source is given for that birth date, so again one is left wondering if the statement is accurate.
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/regional/countries/topics/norway/1908/
If the birth date is accurate, it's the same Hans in Minnesota and in Norway as discussed in this thread.
Birth of Hans in Lom churchbook, 21 September 1851, below. Again I find the place name hard to read - Sønstenæseiet?
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070130630153.jpg
See the following records:
1865 census on Sønstenæseiet
Hans Larsen Sønstenæseiet marriage to Marit
1875 census where Hans and Marit live at RUSTEIET
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/sok/person?s=hans+larsen+1851+lom
As Hans is the oldest known sibling and went to America first, maybe he's chosen the farm name and other family, some of them, follow for family consistency.
In 1875 Lars and Kari, with children Lars, Mari, Peder, are living on Aamot:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052088004161
A descendant of Hans also posted here:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MNWATONW/2003-08/1061294554
A caution: assertions about a person's info may or may not be accurate. We are lacking the documentation on the USA side. What is the source for saying that Hans Larson Rusten in Minnesota was born 21 Sept 1851? What is the source for Mary Larson Serkland date of birth in a US record?
My gut feeling (no logical basis) is that the assertions on the US side are accurate. I suspect further research will uncover the necessary confirming data (US birth, marriage, and death records, obits, inside family knowledge like the baby book, etc). Guess I'm saying various descendants seem to have responsibly researched aspects of this family, but all the needed research simply isn't yet posted here. |
Edited by - JaneC on 19/05/2015 13:56:02 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 14:07:59
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Originally posted by JaneC
Little more
1880
Albin, Brown, Minnesota
Hans Larson 28 b Norway
Marrit Larson 30 b Norway <--------- Emma's sister Marit
Mary Larson 6 b Norway
Lars Sarson 3 b Norway
Lena Larson 1 b Minnesota
Ole M. Olson 24 brother-in-law <-------------------- likely this is Emma's heretofore missing brother Ole
Likely this is a Find a Grave memorial for "your" Hans and Marit,
Marit Larson born April 1850, died Feb 1937
buried with
Hans Larson born September 1851, died Feb 1908
Burial: Saint Olaf Cemetery, Ormsby, Martin County, Minnesota
Link
Marit's death certificate can be ordered to confirm her identity:
LARSON, MARIT
Date of Birth: not included in the transcription online
Place of Birth: "
Mother Maiden Name: "
Date of Death: 02 FEB 1937
County of Death: WATONWAN
Link
Ditto for Hans Larson's death certificate:
Date of Death: 25 MAY 1908, Brown County, Minnesota
Link
I guess the links don't hold the place - but the above records can easily be re-searched.
Some info from page 2, this thread. Online records are often condensed. More details are found in the original records, and as these involve phone calls and fees, volunteers ask descendants to obtain them. |
Edited by - JaneC on 19/05/2015 14:11:11 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 14:20:18
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Returning to that transcribed list of Lom emigrants, Hans Larsen and wife Marit Olsdatter and children Mari and Lars are listed with residence Asklen (darn - was hoping for Rusten):
http://www.snohetta.no/Lom/Lom_USA_1854-1883.html
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LCampbell
Junior member
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70 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2015 : 14:22:10
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| I have photos of Sigurd with his siblings Lars, Peter and Mary. His death certificate was signed by his brother peter and lists father as Lars Larson and mother as Carrie Hanson. |
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LCampbell
Junior member
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 14:46:23
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| I will continue to verify sources on my end making the connections. Will post when I have any new confirmation. Thank you for all of the clues. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 16:56:21
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Ancestry.com record for Sigurd Hanson from the 1885 Minnesota State Census.
Segurd Hanson in the Minnesota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
Name: Segurd Hanson
Age: 3
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Watonwan
Locality: Odin
Birth Location: Minnesota
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Race: White
LINE: 31
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LCampbell
Junior member
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 17:02:46
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| Yes, I believe that is my Sigurd Larson and family. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/05/2015 : 17:07:36
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Agreed the 1880 census could be correct family with a mistake in Lars's name,
Jane what 1880 Census are you referring to here. |
Edited by - AntonH on 19/05/2015 17:12:42 |
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Looking for information on Emma S. Moen
