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ToreL
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 Posted - 08/06/2020 : 11:36:44
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And here is an overview of farms in Bjugn and Nord-Stjørna in the late 1400s, taken from the book Gårdshistorie for Hegvik, Berge, Søtvik, Stallvik, Gjølga, Kipnesset, Duskaret, Varghiet by Gudmund Eide. The location of farm no. 12 Brandvik matches the one above, and here is the current extent of farm no. 12 in Ørland municipality.
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StevenDopp
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 08/06/2020 : 18:18:34
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Thank you very much! I was able to find the same location on Google maps using the aerial photo in this message string. Now I will have to contact the residents who live at the farm. In 1979 a relative of mine from America named Virginia Vleck visited. She noted that Jorund Brandvick and his wife lived on the first floor while his son Bjorne and his family lived on the second floor. I wonder if Bjorne and his family still live there?
Can you help me with the mailing address? Is it
Bjorne Brandvick
Brandvikveien 312
7165 Oksvoll
Norway
Virginia Vleck put together a Johnson/Brandvick heritage book. I have a copy.
In it, there are two photos of the Brandvik farm. She noted that the farm was 7 kilometers south of Bjugn. I was looking for the farm using these two photos. I would have never found it based on her notes and the two photos.
I had a difficult time finding Bjugn on Google Maps, since Bjugn no longer exists as a town. Once I found Bjugn, I could not find the farm 7 kilometers to the south. However, with the aerial photo from this site, I looked for a road segment on Google maps similar to the one in the aerial photo. That is how I found it,approximately 6 kilometers to the west of Bjugn. My guess is that Virginia was confused regarding which way was south. Your message confirmed its location!
Thank you for all of your help. |
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
842 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2020 : 00:37:49
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| If you go here and then click on Personer above the address, you find the names of the current residents. The address format you typed is correct. |
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StevenDopp
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 09/06/2020 : 01:03:39
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StevenDopp
Junior member
USA
34 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2020 : 23:34:43
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ToreL, Thank you for your help. I mailed a letter to the Brandviks but have not received a response. I sent two copies of the letter, one in English and another in Norwegian using Google Translate. I included some old photographs to show my connection to them.
Hopefully, they will reply but I am beginning to think they will not. I can understand why they may not be interested in replying. My connection to them is quite removed. |
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StevenDopp
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2020 : 04:39:47
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| It is now October and I did not receive a reply to my letter. I guess they were not all that interested in meeting me. I am disappointed but I understand their lack of interest. We are only 3rd cousins, so the relationship is somewhat distant. I still might drive by the farmhouse some day and go to the cemetery to see the graves of my ancestors. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 04/10/2020 : 13:57:30
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StevenDopp
Junior member
USA
34 Posts |
Posted - 13/12/2020 : 20:02:26
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I have been performing more research on my great-grandfather Claus Johnson. As it turns out, he was not a "legitimate" Brandvik. Rather, he was the illegitimate son of Johan Olsen Brandvik and Caren Kolbanusdatter. (see https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000004630447 ). Caren married Anders Halvorsen in Frosta, Nord Trondelag (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWHF-CQ1). I do not know what happened to Anders but I assume he died before Caren's affair with Johan. At the time of the affair, Johan appears to have been living/working on the Møllergård farm in Bjugn parish. The 1865 Norwegian Census shows both Claus Andreas Johansen as well as Caren Kolbanusdatter living on the Møllergård farm. The census identifies the farm as #0013 (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038315001262), whereas the Brandvik farm is identified as #0004 ( https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038315001187). Therefore, I suspect Claus never lived on the Brandvik farm (although his father did and I think Claus had good relations with his Brandvik step-brothers). I believe I found the location of the property on Google Maps. It is near the Brandvik farm. Can anyone help me find the name and address of the property owners? I will write to them.
Perhaps there are some old photographs of Claus and Caren there. Thank you!
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ToreL
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Norway
842 Posts |
Posted - 15/12/2020 : 19:05:34
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There is a problem with the marriage in Frosta in 1845: According to the record, the bride was 50 years old:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2467/171
That would make her 57 years old in 1852, when Klaus was born.
So there are likely two Karen Colbanusdaughters involved. According to the 1865 census, the younger one, living with her son at Møllergård, also originally came from Frosta ("Frosten"), which is not surprising, given the peculiar name. Quite possibly the two women were related. |
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ToreL
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Norway
842 Posts |
Posted - 15/12/2020 : 19:47:22
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This is likely the baptism of your Karen Colbanusdatter: #17 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/17055/13
Åsen was a subparish of Frosta. According to Åsen bygdebook, her parents were Colbanus Hansen (1790-1820) and Kirsti Arntsdatter (ca. 1787 - ) although the ministerial book clearly says Kirsti Eriksdatter. They were married in 1818, had one child in 1819 who died 20 weeks old, and then Karen in 1820. The book also says they lived at Skogtrøa, although the church book seems to say something different.
Then Karen and her mother moved to Ørland (close to Bjugn) in 1836, (#3 & #4)
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2447/320 |
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ToreL
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Norway
842 Posts |
Posted - 15/12/2020 : 21:59:11
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I have looked for traces of Claus and his mother in Bjugn after 1865 without success; now I see from the 1900 US census that Claus probably emigrated in 1874; is this in line with your information? It also looks like his mother Karen followed in 1882. In fact it looks like he may have married in Norway in 1878, and that his wife came over together with Karen in 1882. I infer this from the immigration years and marriage years:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9VX-TQS |
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ToreL
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StevenDopp
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USA
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Posted - 17/12/2020 : 02:54:40
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Thanks, ToreL.
Yes. Claus emigrated in either 1872 or 1874, based on 1900 U.S. Census information. Yes, his mother Karen and Claus' half-brother, Jakob Brandvig, left Norway on the same day on the same ship. I don't think Claus married in Norway. He married a Jonetta Sohn (or Schoen) in 1877 in North Dakota. Jonetta died in 1882 shortly after giving birth to my grandfather Oscar. Claus then married Beret Moen. There was a farm owned by Hans Moen in North Dakota which was within 2 miles of Claus' farm, so I think that is where/how Claus met Beret. For what it is worth, Jakob Brandvig married Olina Moen, who was Beret's sister. I often wondered if they had a joint marriage, where two couples marry on the same day at the same church.
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Originally posted by ToreL
I have looked for traces of Claus and his mother in Bjugn after 1865 without success; now I see from the 1900 US census that Claus probably emigrated in 1874; is this in line with your information? It also looks like his mother Karen followed in 1882. In fact it looks like he may have married in Norway in 1878, and that his wife came over together with Karen in 1882. I infer this from the immigration years and marriage years:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9VX-TQS
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