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StevenDopp
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StevenDopp
Junior member
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34 Posts |
 Posted - 19/12/2020 : 21:29:37
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I have three themes which I am trying to determine. First, where did Claus live in Norway? The family history book states that he was born and lived on the Brandvik farm in Bjugn. However, he clearly was living with his mother in 1865 in the nearby Mollergaard farm. In fact, he even used the name Mollergard in the Norway police department emigration log book. Also, he was baptized in Orland. While this doesn't preclude him living on the Brandvik farm, I have no evidence he did so, other than the family history book, which was put together by Claus' grandchildren. The family history book has not proved to be completely accurate. Is there something else that can be checked to see if he ever lived on the Brandvik farm?
I am trying to find out more about Claus' first wite, Jonetta Sohn. Mostly, there isn't much available. The 1865 Norway census indicates she was born in Selbo and in 1865 was living with her parents on the Sonen farm. However, I can't find either one on a map. Any ideas?
Third, I am trying to learn more about Claus' second wife, Beret Moen. I thought she was living on a neighboring farm by at least 1880. However, that clearly was not the case, based on the information you two have provided. I suspect her passage was paid for by Claus as the emigration record shows her passage was paid by someone in the United States. I wonder if she was a "mail order bride"? Since Claus' brother Jakob married Olina Moen, Beret's cousin, I wonder if Beret wrote favorable things to Olina which caused her to travel to North Dakota specifically to marry Jakob? What a crazy way to find a spouse!
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 19/12/2020 : 23:04:38
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Originally posted by jkmarler
The farm in Norway is named Sonen. Likely here is Jonette with her parents in the 1865 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038333000326
This should be the location of the farm Nedre Sonen or Ner-Sona. This is in the Southern part of the current municiplaity of Stjørdal. Its neighbor to the South is Selbu municipality.
The map lets you zoom out to see the location in relation to Trondheim, etc. |
Edited by - ToreL on 19/12/2020 23:16:00 |
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 19/12/2020 : 23:59:07
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It is not clear what relation Jonetta had to the couple above her in the 1865 census. If Ole Pedersen had been her father, she wouldn't have been a "Pedersdatter", but since the three are listed together and all were born in Selbu, they must be connected somehow.
This (top) could be the "emigartion" record for Ole Perdersen from Selbu to Stjørdal in 1859. |
Edited by - ToreL on 20/12/2020 00:00:25 |
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StevenDopp
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Posted - 20/12/2020 : 00:18:04
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Thank you once again. I so very much appreciate your kindness. I had identified Selbu as Selbo but had no idea where the farm was. Of course, this will be a stop on our trip to Norway. I will bet the current occupants will think I am crazy when I knock on their door and tell them my great-grandmother once lived there!
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Originally posted by ToreL
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Originally posted by jkmarler
The farm in Norway is named Sonen. Likely here is Jonette with her parents in the 1865 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038333000326
This should be the location of the farm Nedre Sonen or Ner-Sona. This is in the Southern part of the current municiplaity of Stjørdal. Its neighbor to the South is Selbu municipality.
The map lets you zoom out to see the location in relation to Trondheim, etc.
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ToreL
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Posted - 20/12/2020 : 01:05:50
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This looks very much like the wedding between Ole Pedersen and Kristine Pedersdatter who are listed together with Jonetta at the 1865 census. The ages are a perfect match, and the location is in the right part of Stjørdal. But no trace in this record of their connection to Selbu, as far as I can see.
Family Serach transcription:
Name:
Ole Pedersen
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
3 Jul 1861
Event Place:
Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Event Place (Original):
Hegra, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Gender:
Male
Age:
27
Birth Year (Estimated):
1834
Father's Name:
Peder Andersen
Spouse's Name:
Kirstine Pedersdatter
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Spouse's Age:
29
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
1832
Spouse's Father's Name:
Peder Olsen |
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StevenDopp
Junior member
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Posted - 20/12/2020 : 01:14:54
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That emigration record you identified looks like it is for moving from one part of Norway to another. Is that correct?
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Originally posted by ToreL
It is not clear what relation Jonetta had to the couple above her in the 1865 census. If Ole Pedersen had been her father, she wouldn't have been a "Pedersdatter", but since the three are listed together and all were born in Selbu, they must be connected somehow.
This (top) could be the "emigartion" record for Ole Perdersen from Selbu to Stjørdal in 1859.
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StevenDopp
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StevenDopp
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Posted - 20/12/2020 : 02:30:22
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Are you saying that Berit was Bridt Iverdatter in the 1875 census? I have difficulty with the names as I do not understand how they change from one generation to the next. Also, that Bridt is the same name as Beret. I guess they are close and it seems as through the spelling of Norwegian names varied quite a bit at that time. If this is Beret, then of course, my next question will be where the farm is located on a map. I will see if I can locate the farm on a map.
I have tried but I cannot locate the farm on a map.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Very probable that Oline and Beret are related, however, just not sisters.
Here is Iver Iversen in the 1875 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052085002654
Here Beret is in the 1875 census head milkmaid?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052085002200
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StevenDopp
Junior member
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Posted - 20/12/2020 : 03:16:19
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Interesting. I had missed Mary Moen in my review of the 1910 US Census. I will be sure to add her into my report. However, my report is so long at this poit that it is really a book!
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I think you're right.
Here is a Berit Moen leaving in 1882:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000074369
Berit's mom also came to US, she lives with Claus and Berit in 1910 census:
Name: Burt Johnson [Bent Johnson] [Burt Moen]
Age in 1910: 54
Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Raymond, Cass, North Dakota
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1882
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Claus A Johnson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Name: Mary Moen
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: English
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 27
Number of Children Born: 3
Number of Children Living: 3
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Mary Moen 85 Mother-in-law
Claus A Johnson 58 Head
Burt Johnson 54 Wife
Oscar Johnson 28 Son
Jacob Stensland 25 Hired Man
Nettie Johnson 24 Daughter
Alice Rustad 11 Roomer
Looks like she came as a widow in 1886:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000997717
There are three Marit Moen in the ND Public Death Index, guessing it the one in Cass county:
MOEN, MARIT 08/15/1919 Richland FEMALE 92 Years 99/99/9999 North Dakota Richland
MOEN, MARIT 07/12/1915 Cass FEMALE 91 Years 99/99/9999 North Dakota Cass
MOEN, MARIT 04/17/1918 Traill FEMALE 83 Years 02/02/1835 North Dakota Traill
Marit's obituary was in the Fargo forum and daily republican
Wednesday, Jul 14, 1915 Fargo, ND Page 6 col 2:
"...They left this morning for Harwood where Rev [J.M.O] Ness will officiate in the funeral services of Mrs. Marit Moen, who died at the home of her daughter Mrs. Klaus Johnson, residing 12 miles north of Fargo at 9 o'clock Monday evening. The services will be held from the Klaus Johnson farm home this afternoon and interment will be made in the Harwood Maple river cemetery."
The Zion Lutheran church also records Marit's death and funeral:
Marit born 12 April 1824 and died 12 July 1915 and funeral 15 July 1915.
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ToreL
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Posted - 20/12/2020 : 11:45:36
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Originally posted by StevenDopp
That emigration record you identified looks like it is for moving from one part of Norway to another. Is that correct?
Yes, emigration is not the right word. One Ole Pedersen of the right age moved from Selbu to the neighboring municipality of Stjørdal in 1859, two years before the marriage between Ole Pedersen and Kirstine Pedersdatter i Stjørdal in 1861. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/12/2020 : 17:46:00
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Originally posted by StevenDopp
Beret's gravestone states she was born in 1856 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/28426473/beret-johnsen
Are you suggesting that Beret may have been from Moen, Norway?
Oline was born 27 May, 1866 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/28369399/olina-brandvig
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Originally posted by ToreL
I wonder if this could be Beret and her brother Iver plus parents and one more sibling at the 1865 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/rural-residence/bf01038055003366
The farm name is Morken, not Moen, but browsing two farms ahead you get to Moen.
Brit/Beret's age is some years off, and no trace of Oline. Do you know approx. when she was born?
There is a very new bygdebook for Dovre, just a few years old, too new to be available (for Norwegians) online, but I might check at a library later.
This is Beret's baptismal posted earlier:
"The correct one:
JOHNSON, BERET 08/11/1944 Cass FEMALE 88 Years 07/03/1856 North Dakota Cass
#46 Britha b 3 July 1856 to Iver Iversen Moen and Marith Ols
SAH, Lesja prestekontor, Parish register (copy) no. 3, 1842-1862, p. 96-97
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070129650410
Edited by - jkmarler on 17/12/2020 20:30:41 "
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/12/2020 : 17:48:46
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Originally posted by StevenDopp
Interesting. I had missed Mary Moen in my review of the 1910 US Census. I will be sure to add her into my report. However, my report is so long at this poit that it is really a book!
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/12/2020 : 18:04:40
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There are two Jonettas born in Selbu in 1855 and 1856, both are illegitimate children. In the first case the father is Jonas Pettersen, otherwise no apparent Pederson connection:
#132 SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 695/L1154: Parish register (copy) no. 695C05, 1842-1858, p. 206
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070920650464
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SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 695/L1154: Parish register (copy) no. 695C05, 1842-1858, p. 209
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070920650467
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/12/2020 : 18:08:40
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Originally posted by StevenDopp
Are you saying that Berit was Bridt Iverdatter in the 1875 census? I have difficulty with the names as I do not understand how they change from one generation to the next. Also, that Bridt is the same name as Beret. I guess they are close and it seems as through the spelling of Norwegian names varied quite a bit at that time. If this is Beret, then of course, my next question will be where the farm is located on a map. I will see if I can locate the farm on a map.
I have tried but I cannot locate the farm on a map.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Very probable that Oline and Beret are related, however, just not sisters.
Here is Iver Iversen in the 1875 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052085002654
Here Beret is in the 1875 census head milkmaid?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052085002200
I'm saying that her original name was Bridt /Brithe or something like that. In most of the censuses over here her name is Betsy or Bunt or some thing with a B. |
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