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KaOls
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  12:12:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi! Im looking for information about my great great grandfather Haakon E Hansen who came to America from Oslo/Christiania in 1923 on the boat Hellig Olav. He was born in 1896 in Porsgrunn.

Did he get married and have kids? When did he die?

Where can I get more information, I dont know where to look.

Edited by - KaOls on 30/03/2015 13:11:13

JaneC
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  13:20:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi KaOls, the first step is always to develop as many identifiers as possible (relevant identifiers) about the known individual. You can save the forum searching for information you already have, including his full date of birth and full name -including middle name- and parents' names (these would appear in a USA death certificate). A 1923 Hellig Olav passenger manifest would have 2 pages and would include his destination and name of a person he's going to, in the US; the forum needs that info. Haakon should be findable, with the help of the additional info, in US World War II draft registration; these are archived at Ancestry.com. Names of his siblings could be relevant (for example, US travel records might show one of them travelling to visit him or join him). His occupation (stated on page 1 of the Hellig Olav manifest) is relevant. Sometimes immigrants returned home and lived near siblings (or not) so any family stories or info in that regard is relevant. -- Jane


Places to look:
Ancestry.com - costs $ but you can get 14 days free trial.
Family Search - free website
Find a Grave - free website

Once a specific US location is known (from the passenger manifest) more databases apply.

Edited by - JaneC on 30/03/2015 13:30:34
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KaOls
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  13:29:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you! I will see if I can gather more information and get back to you!
If I gather all the information you asked for, is it any way you can find out more about him for me or do I have to go through a company?

He arrived at Ellis Island and the manifest said he was going to Brooklyn to see a friend!

Edited by - KaOls on 30/03/2015 13:31:34
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JaneC
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  13:53:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can't speak for others, but I bet the forum contributors will pitch in and search. (I can't help today.) Whether Haakon can be found, I don't know, but there's a good chance. If you don't have the information I mentioned, you'll get help with that as well. I only meant, post as much as you already know.

Awesome about Brooklyn!! Yes, the details in the records - all the small details - are like crumbs along the trail, leading to him. What was the name and address of the friend?

Brooklyn, Kings, New York had a large settlement of Norwegians. A free website to search is Italian Genealogical Group (it is not just for Italians). Link:
http://italiangen.org/

The 1940 US census is the most current available census. It is free to search on Ancestry.com, for anyone, any time.

Green-wood Cemetery is the final resting place of many Norwegians in Brooklyn. Its website has a searchable index of burials.

Old Fulton Postcards free website indexes some historic New York newspapers. I think the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper might have an online index.

Edited by - JaneC on 30/03/2015 14:39:33
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JaneC
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  14:21:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe this is your great-great-grandfather:
Haakon Einar Hansen born 01 December 1896,
occupation: maler (mason?)
Last residence Gjerpen
departing Oslo 05 October 1923 on the Hellig Olav
Link: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000609894

Edited by - JaneC on 30/03/2015 14:25:14
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  15:34:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JaneC

Maybe this is your great-great-grandfather:
Haakon Einar Hansen born 01 December 1896,
occupation: maler (mason?)
Last residence Gjerpen
departing Oslo 05 October 1923 on the Hellig Olav
Link: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000609894




Maler is painter
Haakon was "g" married when he em. 1923.

Kåre
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  16:07:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jane's candidate has a birthdate of 1 December 1896 but I was unable to find a Haakon Hanson with that birthdate in the 1910 Norwegian census. However there is this fellow with a birthdate of 12 Jan 1896 who was born in Skien:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036517009439

Writing European style it might be possible to conflux the dates 1 Dec (US 12/1, Eur. 1.12) with 12 Jan ( US 1/12, Eur. 12.1). Skien is in Telemark fylke as is Porsgrunn.

This is probably the same man in the WWII "old man" draft registration cards, born 12 Jan 1896 at "Skisen" (which might be an interpretation of Skien):

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12386-186123-28?cc=1861144

Edited by - jkmarler on 30/03/2015 16:20:49
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  17:10:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A candidate from the 1930 Census.Address is 63rd Street, same as Jackie's guy. Also he is a painter and married to a Martha (sp).

Name: Haakon Hansen
Birth Year: abt 1895
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: 63rd Street
Ward of City: Part of A D 7
Block: B C
House Number in Cities or Towns: 502
Dwelling Number: 4
Family Number: 7
Home Owned or Rented: Rented
Home Value: 50.00
Radio Set: Yes
Lives on Farm: No
Age at First Marriage: 35
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Language Spoken: Norwegian
Immigration Year: 1923
Naturalization: First Papers
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Painter
Industry: Contractor
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Haakon Hansen 35
Marta Hansen 42




Edited by - AntonH on 30/03/2015 17:31:07
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  17:33:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe the arrival of the man found by Jane and Jackie. The manifest lists him as a painter. Last permanent residence is listed as Bøle pr Gjerpen. The name of nearest relative is listed as wife Mrs. Aagot Hansen, Bøle pr Gjerpen, Norway.

Haakon E Hansen in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Haakon E Hansen
Arrival Date: 16 Oct 1923
Birth Date: abt 1896
Birth Location: Nrw
Birth Location Other: skien
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Hellig Olav

Edited by - AntonH on 30/03/2015 23:50:17
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  17:41:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
However that may not be the man our OP is seeking . This Hakon E Hansen also arrived in New York in 1923. He is coming from Porsgrunn.

Name of nearest relative is mother Helga Hansen, Bamle, Herre pr Porsgrunn.

Final Destination is Brooklyn, New York.

Haakon E Hansen in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Haakon E Hansen
Arrival Date: 1 May 1923
Birth Date: abt 1896
Birth Location: Nrw
Birth Location Other: bamle
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Hellig Olav
Search Ship Database: Search for the Hellig Olav in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

He was accompanied by two others Arne Hgy Hansen and Jens Hansen with nearest relative named Hans Hansen, Bamle Herre pr Porsgrunn.

Edited by - AntonH on 30/03/2015 17:47:16
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  18:20:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This situation is exactly why Jane was cautious and asked poster to get information on their ancestor and post!

Here is a Haakon Hansen Solberg b. 1896 in 1910:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036519001529

He also left in May 1923 but on the Stavangerfjord headed for Wisconsin.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000034144

He did land at New York as Haakon Solberg and likely this is he in the 1930 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSP3-R8M

Edited by - jkmarler on 30/03/2015 18:48:24
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KaOls
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  20:24:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you all for all information, Im so excited!! His middle name is probably Einar because his son who where born in Norway was named Einar. When he left Norway he was married to Aagot Hansen and had 3 sons. They never came over.

Im soooo excited!

A relative thought he left Norway in May, but it might have been October. My grandmother said she heard a rumour that he was a painter!

I have found boat manifests for both may 1st and october 16th but not october 5th that digitalarkivet says.

The Haakon E Hansen from Bøler/Gjerpen can be the one :)
I will try to find out his full birth date.

Edited by - KaOls on 30/03/2015 21:25:09
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/03/2015 :  23:38:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is likely the arrival of Haakon Hansen Solberg. He is listed as an Electrician, Nearest relative is listed as Ragna Hansen, Sondre Folkum, Skein, Norway. He is travelling to Two Rivers Wisconsin.

Mankon Solberg in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Mankon Solberg
Arrival Date: 5 Jun 1923
Birth Date: abt 1897
Birth Location: Nrw
Birth Location Other: bamble
Age: 26
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Kristiania, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Stavangerfjord
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AntonH
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Posted - 31/03/2015 :  00:02:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is another candidate from the 1930 US Census. He is listed as single _

Hokum Hansen in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Hokum Hansen
[Hakeem Hansen]
Birth Year: abt 1895
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Roomer
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: 55th St.
Ward of City: A. D. 9
Block: D.
House Number in Cities or Towns: 731
Dwelling Number: 236
Family Number: 521
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Language Spoken: Norwegian
Immigration Year: 1923
Naturalization: Alien
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Carpenter
Industry: Buildings
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Olaf Larsen 30
Jennie Larsen 27
Hokum Hansen 35
Tholef Jensen 22
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AntonH
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Posted - 31/03/2015 :  00:05:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A less likely candidate, mainly because he lists his occupation as fisherman. Also listed as single?

Haakon Hansen in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Haakon Hansen
Birth Year: abt 1895
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Home in 1930: Union, Ocean, New Jersey
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Central Avenue
Dwelling Number: 21
Family Number: 21
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Language Spoken: Norwegian
Immigration Year: 1923
Naturalization: Alien
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Fisherman
Industry: Fishing
Class of Worker: Working on own account
Employment: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
David Hansen 30
Evelyn E Hansen 23
David Hansen 2
Johanna G Hansen 0
[10/12]
Haakon Hansen 35
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KaOls
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Posted - 31/03/2015 :  00:07:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I thinks its the one you found earlier, the painter :)

This one:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000609894

http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiNjAyMDQzMDYwMjYxIjs=/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==#passengerListAnchor

It says he visited a friend called Selmer Andersen, if the manifest is correct :)

Edited by - KaOls on 31/03/2015 00:55:33
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