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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 31/03/2015 : 00:40:32
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Hi again - The emigration date in the Norway record (leaving Norway) matches perfectly with the Hellig Olav passenger manifest, arriving New York. Gotta give him a minute to get there! ; D
Back in an edit to add: Haakon was born january 12th 1895, per family
Leaving Norway, from Norway Digital Archives:
Haakon Einar Hansen born 01 December 1896,
occupation: maler (painter)
Last residence Gjerpen
departing Oslo 05 October 1923 on the Hellig Olav
New York Passenger Lists, Ancestry.com
Passenger Manifest, Hellig Olav,
Sailing from Christiania October 5, 1923 and arriving New York October 16, 1923
Haakon E Hansen, age 27, born about 1896 in Skien, Norway
Occupation: painter
Last Residence: Bøle pr Gjerpen
Nearest Relative: wife Aagot Hansen, Bøle pr Gjerpen, Norway
Destination: Brooklyn, New York
Passage Paid By: himself
Ever been in the USA before? Yes, 1914-1917
Traveling to: friend Mr. Selmer Andersen, 203-30 Str. Brooklyn, New York
How long intend to stay: ever [means permanently]
He's 5'9" and his place of birth is Skien
Brooklyn New York, Standard Union newspaper
Kings County Marriage Licenses, published in the paper
Saturday September 28, 1929
Haakon Hansen 35, residence 358 54th Street
Marta Gulbrandsen, 41, residence 502 63rd Street
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
1930 US census (again)
502 63rd Street, Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Haakon Hansen 35, b abt 1895 Norway, painter contractor, speaks English, has first papers for US citizenship
Marta Hansen 42 born about 1888 Norway
Back in an edit with the 1940 US census that Jackie found, but with the Ancestry.com:
1940
Brooklyn, Kings, New York
376 63rd Street
Haskon Hansen, age 45, born in Norway, painter, working on own account [self-employed]
Marthal Hansen, 49, born Norway
This online family tree includes KaOls's ancestor Haakon E Hansen who left Norway in October 1923.
http://www.myheritage.no/person-1000035_177439651_177439651/haakon-e-hansen
According to the family tree above, this would be Aagot's family in 1910 (she is not with them):
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01036530000901
Marriage of Aagot's father and stepmother in Hovin.
SOURCE: Telemark county, Hovin in Gransherad, Parish register copy nr. II 3 (1887-1921), Marriage records 1918-1920, page 117.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060918010376.jpg
This may be Haakon's wife Aagot Olsdatter in 1910 in Hovin:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01036530000825
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KaOls
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 31/03/2015 : 01:13:50
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Thank you guys so so much for putting the pieces together for me! Is there any way to see if he got married and had kids?
And is there a way to get a marrige certificate and his birthcetificate?
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Edited by - KaOls on 31/03/2015 01:29:46 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2015 : 02:48:51
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Perhaps another way to get to a marriage certificate.
Hakon Hansen in the New York, New York, Marriage Index 1866-1937
Name: Hakon Hansen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 8 Aug 1925
Marriage Place: Kings, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 12527
Purchase Certificate
http://www.nyc.gov/dorforms/marriagecert.jsp |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2015 : 02:52:48
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Same strategy for a death certificate.
Haakon Hansen in the New York, New York, Death Index, 1862-1948
Name: Haakon Hansen
Birth Year: abt 1896
Age: 44
Death Date: 13 Feb 1940
Death Place: Kings, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 3606
Purchase Certificate
This might be simpler. In the marriage certificate, it looks like you might need the brides maiden name.
http://www.nyc.gov/dorforms/deathcert.jsp |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2015 : 03:25:29
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Perhaps the friend of Haakon Hansen.
Anders Selmer Andersen in the U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: Anders Selmer Andersen
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1890
Birth Place: Arendal, Norway
Residence: Kings, New York, USA
Race: White |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2015 : 03:28:20
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Perhaps his arrival in 1911.
Selmer Andersen in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Selmer Andersen
Arrival Date: 8 Aug 1911
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birth Location: Nrw
Birth Location Other: arendal
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Hellig Olav |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2015 : 03:32:53
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He and his wife Thora Hardis Andersen lived for a time in New Jersey as well as in Brooklyn.
Anders Selmer Andersen in the U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Anders Selmer Andersen
City: Jersey City
County: Hudson
State: New Jersey
Birthplace: Norway
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1890
Race: White
And maybe a record of his baptism.
Anders Selmer Andersen in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Anders Selmer Andersen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 7 apr 1890
Baptism Place: Hisoy, Aust-Agder, Norway
Father: Anton Andersen
Mother: Justina Andersen
FHL Film Number: 1406072
Reference ID: item 1 p 80
Also see number 15
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3402&idx_id=3402&uid=ny&idx_side=-81
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Edited by - AntonH on 31/03/2015 03:47:25 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2015 : 03:39:38
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This is maybe more than you want to know about the friend of Haakon but here is more. Here is the marriage of Selmer.
Anders S Andersen in the New York, New York, Marriage Index 1866-1937
Name: Anders S Andersen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1915
Marriage Place: Kings, New York, USA
Spouse: Tara Hardis Solheim
Certificate Number: 11783
Purchase Certificate
Thora or Tara seemed to have travelled back to Norway a lot and also obtained a passport.
Thora Hardis Andersen in the U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
Name: Thora Hardis Andersen
Birth Date: 2 May 1896
Birth Place: Holt, Norway
Age: 27
Gender: Female
Passport Issue Date: 21 Apr 1924
Passport Includes a Photo: Yes
Residence: Brooklyn, New York
Spouse Name: Anders Selmer Andersen
Spouse Birth Place: Norway |
Edited by - AntonH on 31/03/2015 03:56:22 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2015 : 05:16:17
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You should look for Haakon in the "old fulton" site that Jane mentioned earlier. There is a notice from 1929 including both Haakon Hansen and a Marta Gulbranson in a Brooklyn paper. I couldn't get the image to load on my machine so I was unable to link to the article but perhaps you might if your computer is newer than mine.
Here is the couple in the 1940 census, names are spelled rather badly:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQR4-2WB
He had to have died after 1942 since he was in the old man draft of that year. The Haakon who died in 1940's parents are Nila (probably Nils) Hansen and Certen Jorgenson, this doesn't match who you know are your Haakon's parents or does it?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WBB-HZ6 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 31/03/2015 14:08:46 |
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KaOls
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 31/03/2015 : 13:20:35
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I sent an email to both of the cemeteries that he may be laying at! What usually happened to a persons belonings(documents) when they died back then? He had 3 sons in Norway, is it possible that it got sent to them?
And is there a way to find out Martas maiden name?
Can any of the archives in Norway have any information about Haakon after he left Norway or is all the information in a New York archive?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2015 : 13:55:02
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If you are asking about his estate settlement (skifte) those records are usually maintained by the county (for example Kings, Richmond, etc)in which a person resided, if there are any.
If there is any wealth to distribute that would have been done at the time of Haakon's death. If he had no will (a directive giving this to this one, etc.) then his estate would have been settled by New York state's default formula. I don't know what that formula is exactly but typically in a lot of states the formula is 1/3 to the widow, 2/3 divided equally between surviving children. But all sorts of shenanigans can happen when settling an estate--"Do not say you truly know someone until you have divided an inheritance with them"--.
His death certificate would most likely have been issued by the state of New York if he still lived there when his death occurred. But you don't know where or when he died for sure and New York City and New York are such heavily populated that it might be hard to get a search done.
The Italian gen site that Jane gave you before has a form with which to order a New York state or city d.c. or directions anyway.
Do you know Haakon's date of birth in Norway for sure? Have you looked for an estate record of his parents?
The Italian gen site wedding database revealed this partner for a 1929 marriage of a Haaken Hansen:
Last Name Given Name Month/Day Year CtfNum County Soundex ID
Heidnansen Martha Sep 27 1929 14299 Kings H355 2016250
There is an order form at the site. I'm not sure Heidnansen is a good interpretation of her last name but you can see what you think when you see the document.
So Haakon and Aagot got divorced? Any record of that in Norway?
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KaOls
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 31/03/2015 : 19:38:21
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Thank you:D
His exact birth date is january 12th 1895!
My grandmothers cousin had more information, so I will get back to you guys when I have more info:) |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2015 : 01:00:23
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As Jackie found on the Old Fulton NY Post Cards site (index of historic newspapers)
Kings County Marriage Licenses, published in the Brooklyn New York Standard Union newspaper
Saturday September 28, 1929
Haakon Hansen 35, residence 358 54th Street
Marta Gulbrandsen, 41, residence 502 63rd Street
Marta's address is the same as the 1930 census.
502 63rd Street in Brooklyn:
Link
Might be the same woman (need more info):
A traveller named Marthe Helene Gulbrandsen age 35 along with Inga Mathilde Gulbrandsen 38 sailed from Oslo 15 September 1923
Added info from the incoming passenger manifest (Ellis Island free website):
Destination friend Mrs. Hedvig Hansen, 453 68th Street, Brooklyn - both born in Kristiania - nearest relative in Norway sister Marie Ljungamn, Hagdehaugsv. 14, Kristiania.
Link
Ancestry.com transcription:
Name: Martina Gulbrandsen
Arrival Date: 25 Sep 1923
Birth Date: abt 1888
Birth Location: Nrw
Birth Location Other: Kristiania, Norway
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Kristiania,nor
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Stavangerfjord
Another trip in 1928:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000633964
Inga Mathilde Gulbrandsen traveling again in 1929; the Ellis Island manifest would tell more:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000001187220
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