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AntonH
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Posted - 23/05/2015 :  17:10:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is what you get for the same strategy for Kristiania.

Laurits Larsen born 1871
Census year: 1875
Municipality: Kristiania
Municipality number: 0301
Street name: Sagveien 11

Martin Larsen born 1871
Census year: 1875
Municipality: Kristiania
Municipality number: 0301
Street name: Ruseløkveien 32

Martinius Larsen born 1868
Census year: 1875
Municipality: Kristiania
Municipality number: 0301
Street name: Lakkegade 14
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/05/2015 :  18:27:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was not taken by any of the people found in the approach above and considering the Auntie thinking that maybe he was much older than the 1869 to 1872 dates we have been working with tried.
Larsen born in either Horten, Drammen or Kristiania between 1858 to 1860 in the 1865 Census.

For Horten no candidates
For Drammen

Lauritz Larsen foster child born 1858
Census year: 1865
Municipality: Drammen
Municipality number: 0602
Street name:
Street number: 118d
City district: Strømsø

Lauritz Martinius Larsen stepson born 1860
Census year: 1865
Municipality: Drammen
Municipality number: 0602
Street name:
Street number: 286
City district: Bragernes

Martin Larsen born 1858
Census year: 1865
Municipality: Drammen
Municipality number: 0602
Street name:
Street number: 326
City district: Bragernæs

For Kristiania none
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/05/2015 :  06:28:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you try and use the info we think we know, Name maybe Laurit* Martin Larsen, born abt 1868 to 1872, father name Lars Larsen or Lauritz Larsen finds very few.

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Martin Laurits Larsen
23 apr 1870 12 jun 1870 , Vestre Toten, Opland, Norway Lars
Kari

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Mariten Laurits Larsen
22 okt 1871 (22 Oct 1871) 26 nov 1871 Hemne, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway Lars,
Maria
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jwiborg
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Posted - 24/05/2015 :  23:24:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found a man named Laurence Lawson (18) in Census-1881 for Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England.
I don't think he has been mentioned here before?

He is a fisherman, born 1863 in Norway, and lives in a household with another norwegian named Mathias Oxe. A great page of SHIPS IN PORT IN LINCOLNSHIRE 1881 GRIMSBY says the two Norwegians are serving on the vessel "Ld.Brougham", and are born in Aalesund.
Aalesund in Møre & Romsdal county is quite far from Oslo though.
Edited by - jwiborg on 24/05/2015 23:28:08
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jwiborg
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  00:12:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking at the names of the children, I believe Louis Lawson's mother could be named "May"; or rather a Norwegian variant of "May".

Their children from census-1911:
John Louis Lawson 12
Florence May Lawson 11
George Albert Lawson 10
Thomas Edwin Lawson 8
William Arthur Lawson 4
Violet Isabel Lawson 3
Jessie Francis Lawson 1

John Louis b. 1899 seems to be named after the couple's fathers; Florence' father was John Winney, Louis' father was named Louis Lawson, or rather Laurits or Lars in Norwegian.
Florence May b. 1900 should thus be named after their mothers then...? I assume Florence Ellen Winney's mother was named Florence? Then May should come from Louis' mother...

Edit: Well... so much for that theory; The Charles Family Tree on ancestry.com name the mother of Florence Ellen Winney as "Mary Ann Wenney".
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  02:00:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your find of Laurence Lawson born abt 1863 in the 1881 Census for Great Grimsby led me to check for any Lars Larsen born 1863 plus/minus 2 in More og Romsdal.

Here is the most interesting one of the group. His name contains the makings of Louis Martin Lawson and his father has essentially the same name as he does. Some of the things that pop up in this thread.

Name: Lars Marius Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 sep 1862
Baptism Date: 16 nov 1862
Baptism Place: Aalesund,More Og Romsdal,Norway
Father: Lars Larsen
Mother: Anne Sophie Ingebrigtsdr

His baptism

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16025&idx_id=16025&uid=ny&idx_side=-38

Here is the family in 1865 Census.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038276003115

And in 1875 Census

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052324003077

I could not find him in the 1900 Norwegian Census]

His confirmation, see number 60, in 1877

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16026&idx_id=16026&uid=ny&idx_side=-190
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jwiborg
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  11:20:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting. I also noticed this one, but didn't follow him further. We might find many "Lars or Laurits Larsen" in Norway that could fit into this Louis Lawson in Grimsby, so to be able to finally determine the correct one, I think we still need some more evidence from the UK.
I would really like to know what the source for d.o.b. = 17 APR 1872 comes from. Anton, did you by an chance get a reply from the owner of the Greenfield/Anderson Family Tree?

And from the name of their children, is it possible to guesstimate the name of Louis' mother?
Does the original marriage certificate of 07 NOV 1897 contain any unknown information?

On the vessel "Hope" there is one Alfred Lawson (26) from Ollesund, Norway. Sounds like Aalesund. An older brother?

And as seen earlier; on the vessel: "Burton" (1881):
R. G. REEVES M 36 M Edenbridge, Kent, Eng Master
L. WESTER U 22 M Albrough, Norfolk, Eng Mate
G. EATWELL U 19 M London, Middlesex, Eng Fisherman
L. LAWSON U 22 M Harten, Norway Fisherman
L. EASTER 15 M Bath, Somerset, Eng Cook

Harten (Horten) is listed as L. Lawson's birthplace. L. Lawson (18) is of course not the same person as Laurence Lawson (18) on the vessel "Ld.Brougham", which was born in Aalesund.
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  18:07:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
I think we still need some more evidence from the UK


I agree and I think that Dave is hoping that his Auntie in Australia will send him something that provides some hard evidence, maybe a birth date, maybe a place in Norway, maybe a Norwegian name.

quote:
would really like to know what the source for d.o.b. = 17 APR 1872


I do not know, but there are several records in which his birth year is given as 1869, so I have alsways doubted that birth date.

quote:
Anton, did you by an chance get a reply from the owner of the Greenfield/Anderson Family Tree


But that is not unusual with Ancestry
Edited by - AntonH on 25/05/2015 21:39:25
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jwiborg
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  21:29:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's not the birthyear that is the most interesting in "17 APR 1872", but the date itself. If that date is correct; finding a Laurits Martin Larsen born 17 Apr (1863-1872) in Horten could be the proof we are looking for

"Horten, Vestfold" is covered by the churchbooks from Borre, Åsgårdstrand and Nykirke.
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  22:09:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Using "All Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 Results" There are only 412 baptisms for Vestfold in this data base, and only 212 males.

These are the males listed for Borre, Horten, and Nykirke. No listing for the other name.

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Otto Eriksen
17 apr 1866 1 jul 1866 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Erik,
Anne Birthe

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Carl August Eriksen
17 apr 1872 21 jul 1872 Horten,Vestfold,Norway Erik,
Ingeborg

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Haakon Martinius Johansen
17 apr 1870 6 jun 1870 Horten,Vestfold,Norway Johan,
Maren Petrea

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Lars Andersen
9 apr 1864 17 apr 1864 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Anders,
Karen Laurine

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Niels Christian Andersen
3 apr 1864 17 apr 1864 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Anders,
Martin

Colbjorn Bertrand Berntsen
14 apr 1870 17 jul 1870 Horten,Vestfold,Norway Bernt,
Bernhardine Dorthea

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Bernhard Christensen
2 apr 1868 17 mai 1868 (17 May 1868) Horten,Vestfold,Norway Christen,
Anne Dorthea

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Edvard Anton Ellefsen
3 apr 1864 17 apr 1864 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Ellef,
Bredine

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Christen Olsen
14 apr 1869 17 mai 1869 (17 May 1869) , Nykirke, Vestfold, Norway Ole,
Helene

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Anders Johan Andersen
17 mar 1872 7 apr 1872 Borre, Vestfold, Norway Andreas,
Elen Andrine

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Hjalmar Julius Jensen
17 mar 1870 10 apr 1870 Horten,Vestfold,Norway Jens,
Julie

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Adolf Hagbart Johansen
17 des 1864 (17 Dec 1864) 13 apr 1865 Horten,Vestfold,Norway Johan,
Anne Christine

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Peder Matiasen
17 mar 1870 14 apr 1870 Horten,Vestfold,Norway Mathias,
Bredine

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Hans Christian Nielsen
17 mar 1870 14 apr 1870 Borre, Vestfold, Norway Mads,
Maren Andrea

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Joachim Ferdinand Olsen
17 des 1863 (17 Dec 1863) 10 apr 1864 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Ole,
Elen Jorgine

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Hans Georg Pedersen
17 des 1864 (17 Dec 1864) 23 apr 1865 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Peter,
Anne Marie

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Johan Oscar Tobiasen
17 mar 1863 12 apr 1863 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Tobias,
Mina


Jens Andreas Christensen
18 feb 1865 17 apr 1865 , Nykirke, Vestfold, Norway Christian,
Grethe Marie

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Carl Jorgensen
10 feb 1864 17 apr 1864 , Nykirke, Vestfold, Norway Jorgen,
Helle_ Johanne

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Ole Larsen
23 mar 1865 17 apr 1865 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Lars,
Birthe .

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Jens Paulsen
24 mar 1865 17 apr 1865 , Nykirke, Vestfold, Norway Poul,
Anne Jakobine

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Anthon Severin Adolfsen
17 apr 1865 , Tonsberg, Vestfold, Norway Adolf,
Bernhardine Johanne Johanne Kathrine

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Lars Andersen
17 apr 1864 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Anders,
Karen Laurine

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Mathias Andersen
17 apr 1864 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Anders,
Karen Laurine

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Niels Christian Andersen
17 apr 1864 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Anders,
Martine

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Jens Andreas Christensen
17 apr 1865 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Christian,
Marie

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Edvard Anton Ellefsen
17 apr 1864 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Ellef,
Bredine

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Carl Jorgensen
17 apr 1864 , Nykirke, Vestfold, Norway Jorgen,
Helle_ Johanne

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Jens Paulsen
17 apr 1865 , Nykirke, Vestfold, Norway Poul,
Anne Jakobine
Edited by - AntonH on 25/05/2015 22:52:51
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  22:29:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lars Martinus Arnesen 1859* Horten Ladested s ug Horten: Braarudaasen 9 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0703 Horten ladested

Lars Martinius Arnesen 1859 Horten s ug Af Faderen Horten: Braarud & Røraasen 9 31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 0703P Horten prestegjeld

Lars Larsen 1859* Borre Pr. Hans Søn ug Borre: Skopum 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0717P Borre prestegjeld
father is Lars Paulsen:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038114003263

Lars Helgesen 1859* Borre Pr. Deres Søn ug Borre: Rygland nordre 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0717P Borre prestegjeld

Lars 16.09.1859 Borre 07.06.1874 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Borre prestegjeld 1868-1877 (0717Q)

Lars Martin Larsen 1859 Borre ug Tjenestedreng Horten: Storgade 48 31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 0703P Horten prestegjeld

The Borre confirmand is the apparently the same person as Lars Helgeson
Edited by - jkmarler on 25/05/2015 22:41:37
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  22:48:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another look:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053257045064
001 00 Lorentz Rudolph Erichsen 1840 Kristiania Fuldmægtig i Revisions-Deptet.
002 00 Josephine Marie Erichsen 1845 Kristiania Kgl. Fuldm. Erichsens Hustru
003 00 Lars Martin Erichsen 1869 Kristiania Kgl. Fuldm. Erichsens Barn
004 00 Ragna Kathrine Erichsen 1872 Kristiania Kgl. Fuldm. Erichsens Barn
005 00 Olaf Christopher Erichsen 1879 Kristiania Kgl. Fuldm. Erichsens Barn
006 00 Sverre Alfred Erichsen 1881 Kristiania Kgl. Fuldm. Erichsens Barn
007 00 Helga Marie Erichsen 1883 Kristiania Kgl. Fuldm. Erichsens Barn
008 00 Anna Lovise Sæthren 1857 Kristiania Fru Erichsens ugifte Søster
009 00 Christine Petterson 1855 Sverige Kokkepige i Tjeneste hos Fuldmægtig Erichen
010 00 Alis Hougstøl 1861 Skonevig Barnepige i Tjeneste hos Fuldmægtig Erichen
011 00 Karl Olsen 1864 Brandvold Gaardsgut i Tjeneste hos Fuldmægtig Erichen


Bosted (hus/gård/tomt)B.nr.
Navn Bydel
0082 Abelsgade 8
005 Uranienborgs Menighed Kristiania
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  23:24:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did not find many males in my long list very interesting, certainly not many Larsen names. Here is a list of Larsen type names from that same data base but without worrying about what the parish is. All from Vestfold of course.

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Edvard Larsen
17 apr 1868 8 mai 1868 (8 May 1868) , Hedrum, Vestfold, Norway Lars,
Marte Marie

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Johan Martin Larsen
26 apr 1864 17 jul 1864 , Larvik, Vestfold, Norway Lars,
Berte Pernille

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Anton Larsen
17 mar 1863 6 apr 1863 Sandar, Vestfold, Norway Lars,
Maren Sibille

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Ole Larsen
23 mar 1865 17 apr 1865 , Borre, Vestfold, Norway Lars,
Birthe ...

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Hans Christian Larsen
30 mar 1870 17 apr 1870 , Stokke, Vestfold, Norway Lars K.,
Helene Amalia

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Lauritz Anton Larsen
20 mar 1870 17 apr 1870 , Stokke, Vestfold, Norway Larentz,
Inger Andrea

A much shorter list and to my mind more manageable.
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  23:40:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the same short Larsen list for Buskerud.

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Ludvig Larsen
17 apr 1863 31 mai 1863 (31 May 1863) Bragernes Drammen,Buskerud,Norway Lars,
Ingeborg Marie

Only one male, makes me a little suspicious that the data base is incomplete.
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/05/2015 :  23:45:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For Oslo (Kristiania) the program wants to use any combination of 17 and Apr for birth and baptism making it hard to use. But does give up this person.

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Ludvig Martinius Larssen
17 jan 1871 10 apr 1871 Oslo, Oslo, Norway Johan,
Grete

Name: Ludvig Martinius Larssen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 17 jan 1871
Baptism Date: 10 apr 1871
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Johan Larsen
Mother: Grete Hansdr
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