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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 07/05/2015 : 23:41:10
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Here is a quote from a timeline on the "hunter" family tree on Ancestry.com
7 Nov 1897 Residence
83 Orwell Street, Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
From wedding certificate - shown aged 28
The wedding certificate is not posted - but seems to be in the possession of this tree creator.
In the 1927 wedding certificate posted by jwiborg for Violet, the father Louis Martin Lawson has occupation of lumper - same as 1911 census. This is someone who loads and unloads cargo, presumably, and possibly the work is taking place on the docks. So if some record calls Louis a "fisherman," that's another record from the UK still yet missing from the thread. |
Edited by - JaneC on 07/05/2015 23:47:50 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2015 : 00:01:36
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Here is some further information on occupation of Louis Lawson.
Louis Lawson in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Louis Lawson
Street address: 98 Orwell St
Occupation: Labourer
Publication Title: 1922 Grimsby and Cleethorpes Directory
City: Grimsby
County: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Publication Year: 1922
Name: Louis Lawson
Street address: 98 Orwell Street
Publication Title: 1935 Grimsby and Cleethorpes District Directory
City: Grimsby
County: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Publication Year: 1935
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2015 : 00:05:29
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Here is another record for birth year of Louis Lawson.
Louis Lawson in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Louis Lawson
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Date: 1869
Marriage Date: 1897
Marriage Place: St. Andrew, Great Grimsby, Lincoln, England
Father: Louis Lawson
Spouse: Florence Ellen Winney
FHL Film Number: 1542136
Both birth year and middle initial of M included in this death record
Lewis M Lawson in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Lewis M Lawson
[Louis M Lawson]
Birth Date: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Jun 1946
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 597
Reference ID: 2:3GJNR99
Another record on the marriage
Name: Louis Lawson
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Date: 1869
Marriage Date: 7 Nov 1897
Marriage Place: Great Grimsby, Lincoln, England
Father: Louis Lawson
Spouse: Florence Ellen Winney |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2015 : 01:33:28
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If he was occupied as a sailor he may be one of these:
Lars Magnus Larsen #5765
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo mønstringskontor, Yngre ruller, Annotasjonsruller, Annotasjonsrulle 3 (SAO/A-10569g/F/Fc/Fca/L0003), 1887-1902, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Merknader: Annotasjonsrulle, patent nr. 5198-7595.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/db/42069/119/
Lars Larsen #5873
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo mønstringskontor, Yngre ruller, Annotasjonsruller, Annotasjonsrulle 3 (SAO/A-10569g/F/Fc/Fca/L0003), 1887-1902, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.Merknader: Annotasjonsrulle, patent nr. 5198-7595.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/db/42069/142/ |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2015 : 17:22:55
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In his first post Dave Hunter stated.
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The reason I think it was him that my auntie found him on the ship "BURTON" on the 1881 census is because he had his name down as Louis Lawson, but born in Horten Norway in 1859, age 22 years
This is likely the person the Aunt found,
All 1881 England Census Results
Name: L. Lawson
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Gender: Male
Where born: Harten, Norway
Civil Parish: Vessels
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: "Burton"
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Fisherman
Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: Burton
I have left off the rest of the list of men, they seem to belong to many boats. The boat with L Lawson on board has a crew of five, four English and one L. Lawson from Norway. The location of the ship is intriguing "Great Grimsby"
The original manifest lists hiim as single, originally a deckhand crossed out and changed to fisherman.
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hp011b5562_2
Junior member
United Kingdom
67 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2015 : 12:10:59
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| looking for relatives of John Wilhelm Johansen, formally of 1621 Gressvik, he died around 2002 , my name is Petersen and i beleive John was a close relative, we lost touch in the 1950s we are from Scotland |
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davehunter
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/05/2015 : 19:23:20
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| Hi Everyone, reference to the documents found by jwiborg earlier, im sending them to my Aunt in Australia to confirm, but they do look like my family. Genuinely appreciate all your hard work |
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davehunter
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/05/2015 : 10:53:11
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This is the reply from My Aunt in Australia re the above documents-
Yes, Aunty Violet was one of my mothers sisters and I remember her and Uncle Charlie. If she was born in 1904 she would be older than 19 when she married in 1927 though ???
They had maybe 5 - 6 children. The youngest two were more my age and I was friends with one of them Valerie. The other was called Charlie and he died quite young, late teens, early 20's.
An older sister was called Irene. my grandmother went to live with them in Nunsthorpe when the houses in Orwell Street were all pulled down, she was going to live with us but that was then my mother died. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/05/2015 : 20:07:45
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Regarding Violet Isabel Lawson:
- The marriage certificate from 1927 says she is 19 years old, ie. born ab. 1908.
- Census-1911 says she is 3 years old, ie. born ab 1908.
- The birth certificate I provided says she is born 03 Dec 1904.
I strongly believe this little girl born 03 Dec 1904 died, and they got a new girl named Violet Isabel in 1908.
This looks to be her.
Violet Isabel Larsen
Christening: 21 Feb 1908, Clee, Lincoln, England
Parents: Lewis Larsen & Florence Larsen
The Violet who married Charles William Neller was born born 07 Feb 1908 and died 16 Aug 1977.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2015 : 20:18:58
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Census-1911 for Grimsby shows a child Jessie Francis Lawson (1).
Jamie Frances Larsen
Gender: Female
Christening: 22 Oct 1909, New Clee, Lincoln, England
Parents: Louis Larsen & Florence Larsen |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2015 : 22:54:13
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To recap; I think we should look for Laurits Martin Larsen, born 17 Apr 1872 in Christiania, Norway.
I think "Christiania" (Oslo) is this context could include the neighboring areas, especially westbound towards Drammen, Buskerud and Horten, Vestfold. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2015 : 02:19:51
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Searching the Ancestry.com data base, "All Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927" born 1872 plus/minus 2.
There are no Laurits Martin Larsens for Oslo.
For Buskerud there are three, and they all seem to use Martin as the first name followed by Lauritz. None of them from Drammen.
For 17 Apr 1872 there are none in all of Norway. For April, 1872 we have one in Buskerud.
ame: Martin Laurits Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 3 apr 1872
Baptism Date: 9 jun 1872
Baptism Place: Tyristrand, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Ole Larsen
Mother: Pauline Nilsd
For Vestfold there are four and none of them in Horten.
Now I assume that this data base is not complete but it does cover over 21 million baptisms.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2015 : 16:50:28
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To recap; I think we should look for Laurits Martin Larsen, born 17 Apr 1872 in Christiania, Norway.
Although I would not rule out 1869 either since most of the census data give 1869 as his birth year.
I do like the direction of Horten, Drammen and Christiania. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2015 : 16:58:16
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Here is what you find for Horten in the NHDC 1875 Census. For Larsen born 1868 to 1873. Then looking at the first names for some combinaton of Martin, Laurit* or both.
Lars Larsen born 1869
Census year: 1875
Municipality: Horten
Municipality number: 0703
Street name: Nordre Enggade 7b
Ludwig Larsen born 1873
Census year: 1875
Municipality: Horten
Municipality number: 0703
Street name: Nedre Rustadgade 3
Ludwig Martinius Larsen born 1868
Census year: 1875
Municipality: Horten
Municipality number: 0703
Street name: Skippergade 14
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2015 : 17:04:44
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Here what you find for Drammen using the same strategy as above.
Laurits Larsen born 1873
Census year: 1875
Municipality: Drammen
Municipality number: 0602
Street name: Mellem Bragernæs
Street number: 194
City district:
House owner: Johan Hermansen paa Bragernæsaasen
Lars Larsen born 1868
Census year: 1875
Municipality: Drammen
Municipality number: 0602
Street name: Strømsbyen 18
Street number:
City district:
House owner: Bager Anders Larsen
Marthin Larsen born 1869
Census year: 1875
Municipality: Drammen
Municipality number: 0602
Street name: Strømsø
Street number: 356
City district:
House owner: Hans Jørgen Hansen
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