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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 07/05/2015 : 00:56:29
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"How reliable are the dødfallsprotokol?" Good question Jackie.
I'm not finding Louis Lawson in 1891 England census.
Still do not have answers to some simple opening questions -
 Where is or what is this 1881 passenger manifest for the Burton? I haven't found it.
Where does the opening gambit "Lorietza" come from? Somebody saw that somewhere - but where?
Where does the information come from that the father of Louis Lawson was a stonemason? Or that Louis was "classed as a fisherman"?
An Anton Lawson born in Christiania, Norway, is listed in the following Ancestry.com database:
UK, Campaign Medals Awarded to WWI Merchant Seamen, 1914-1925
I can't read his full birthdate on the following - image only partially opens up for me:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8047660#imageViewerLink
No other Lawson, spelled exactly like that, appears in a digital search of the above database who is listed born in Norway.
Checking 1891 census in England
This guy is working as a waiter in London in 1891:
Name: Ludwig Lawson
Age: 22, born about 1869
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Employee
Gender: Male
Where born: Fredrikshald, Norway
Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthews
County/Island: London
Country: England
Occupation: waiter
Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status:
Registration district: Paddington
Sub registration district: St John Paddington
Another person of similar name in North Shields England in 1891:
Lars Lawson age 29, born about 1862 Norway
Margaret Lawson age 19, spouse
Not him - They are still together in 1901.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2015 : 01:45:42
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Thats right no Louis Lawson in the 1891 Census of any birth year and birth country, who fits. Five total, four married, one single but born India.
One Lauritz Larsen born 1870 plus or minus 2, born in Kristiania Norway.
Name: Christian Lauritz Larsen
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Crew
Gender: Male
Where born: Christiania, Norway
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Wapping Basin London Dock
County/Island: London
Country: England
Three Lars Larsens with the same characteristics,
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Lars Larsen
abt 1868 Norway Crew Vessels, Lancashire
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Lars Larsen
abt 1868 Norway Crew Vessels, London
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Lars Larsen
abt 1871 Norway Mathros Vessels, Devon
Hard to connect any of them with Louis Lawson
And a late addition, original manifes looks like Laurits to me
Name: Lourdes Larsen
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Crew
Gender: Male
Where born: Norway
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Par Harbour
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2015 : 02:21:19
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I have been surveying confirmation records in various parishes in Oslo covering the years 1886-1888. This is a list of the parishes I've looked at:
Gamle Aker
Gamlebyen
Garnisonsmenighet
Grønland
Jacob
Johannes
Kampen
Nordstrand
Paulus
Uranienborg
Vor Frelsers
I have been looking for any first or middle name starting with L born 1872 in Kristiania (Oslo) with a father named Lars or Larsen. There are several large parishes if anyone else wants to continue with this search. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 25/05/2015 05:45:10 |
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vivi
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 07/05/2015 : 08:11:22
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Hi
The reliability of the "dødsfallprotokoll" is usually very good. It depends on who gave the information. In the case of Martin Larsen the information was given by his brother-in-law who was a police-officer so I would trust what is written. |
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vivi
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Norway
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2015 : 09:56:41
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I think it appears in a couple of records a census record and one other place in English records. Apparently there is some variance on the birth year too but we have found no explanation for that.
That Lars Martin Larsen in Bergen may be the one who travels forth and back to America through Bergen. |
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davehunter
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/05/2015 : 13:24:03
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Hi everyone, I will try and clear up some points for you, not knowing what sort of info you needed I just threw everything in all at once. Im just waiting for a marriage certificate to come back and some other papers then I can write it out properly.
It was from an old Auntie who said that he stowed away on that ship from Horten to grimsby. It was her eho also came up with the Lorietza or Lauritz names.
He did marry and lived in Grimsby ( Orwell street i think )
there is a marriage certificate showing his father as a stone mason ( Im waiting for it to come )
the people named Solfrid Gunnar, July 1955 in a photo. The Norweigan relatives used to write to their relatives in Grimsby, and amongst the letters ( which I do not possess or know where they are ) was a photo. I dont know if it is a relative or friend but it was about an engagement or wedding, their photo's on it with the name and date shown. I am just waiting for my Auntie in Australia to write back.
Thanks everyone again for all your help so far |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2015 : 16:51:40
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How sure is birthplace Christiania?
It appears for sure in the 1911 English Census. It also probably appears in the 1901 English Census, if Louise Lawson is actually Louis Lawson, I think that the identification is quite good there. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2015 : 20:35:23
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There are 4 family trees at ancestry.com that has a birthdate for Louis Martin Lawson, born 17 Apr 1872 in Norway,
Someone with access to ancestry.com should contact these people to ask for the source for this date. They might have copied from each other, but Greenfield/Anderson Family tree seems to have a source for it.
Greenfield/Anderson Family
Martindill Family Tree
Smith Family Tree
hunter
I think we should be looking for Laurits Martin Larsen, born 1872 in or near Oslo, |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2015 : 22:41:33
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Using the name Martin narrows the list down a lot. If you use Laurits Larsen born 1872 plus or minus 2 and limit the areas to Vestfold, Ostfold and Oslo, you still get close to twenty candidates. Too many to separate out the good from the bad.
"All Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 results for Laurits Larsen"
Name: Martin Laurits Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 18 jan 1871
Baptism Date: 26 feb 1871
Baptism Place: Hedrum,Vestfold,Norway
Father: Lars Jansen
Mother: Birte Kistine Hansdr
Broaden the search to include Oppland and you add an additional four
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Martin Laurits Larsen
23 apr 1870 12 jun 1870 , Vestre Toten, Opland, Norway Lars,
Kari
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Martin Laurits Larsen
23 apr 1870 12 jun 1870 Aas, Opland, Norway Lars,
Kari
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Martin Laurits Larsen
28 apr 1871 16 jul 1871 , Ostre Toten, Opland, Norway Lars,
Marit
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Martin Laurits Larsen
29 nov 1869 6 feb 1870 Aas, Opland, Norway Ole Christian,
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2015 : 22:47:57
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2015 : 22:48:53
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Someone with access to ancestry.com should contact these people to ask for the source for this date
Done for Greenfield/Anderson Family Tree. The three others do not have the exact birth date.
Nice records Jan Peter, i don't suppose you can get the original copy of the Marriage Liscense of Louis Lawson and Florence Ellen Winney {sp?] |
Edited by - AntonH on 07/05/2015 22:54:05 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2015 : 23:24:02
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Originally posted by lyndal40
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Someone with access to ancestry.com should contact these people to ask for the source for this date
Done for Greenfield/Anderson Family Tree. The three others do not have the exact birth date.
Nice records Jan Peter, i don't suppose you can get the original copy of the Marriage Liscense of Louis Lawson and Florence Ellen Winney {sp?]
The marriage record image is here, but I have no access to it...
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2015 : 23:29:11
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That is not the marriage record but only the marriage register. Does not contain any new information. Here is the transcribed version of this from Ancestry.
Name: Florence Ellen Winney
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Grimsby
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 1365
Records on Page:
Name
John Cowell
Louis Lawson
Emma Elizabeth Maunders
Blanche Rowlings
Florence Ellen Winney
This is what I am looking for "Wedding Certificate of Louis Lawson & Florence Winnet"
I think this is what Dave is trying to get from his Aunt in Australia. |
Edited by - AntonH on 07/05/2015 23:34:05 |
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missing relatives in Norway
