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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  01:26:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a Lars Larsen b 1872 Kristiania in the 1885 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053257106364

and another:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053257048648

This Lars Larsen put to sea #6260:
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo mønstringskontor, Yngre ruller, Annotasjonsruller, Annotasjonsrulle 3 (SAO/A-10569g/F/Fc/Fca/L0003), 1887-1902, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.

Merknader: Annotasjonsrulle, patent nr. 5198-7595.

Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/db/42069/221/

A Lauritz Larsen b 1872 Kristiania (father is dead so his name is not known with certainty):
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053257053405

Possibly this Lauritz's baptism, #113:
Source information: Oslo county, Trefoldighet, Parish register (official) nr. I 3 (1870-1876), Birth and baptism records 1872, page 83.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=693&idx_id=693&uid=ny&idx_side=-84


This Lauritz is eliminated due to death:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/gr/person/pg00000001795157



Edited by - jkmarler on 08/05/2015 01:28:55
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JaneC
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  02:27:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Could be Louis here in 1901 England Census; transcribed as "Louise" but listed as male, and besides typically a woman would not serve as a bosen on a ship in that era.

Louise Lawson
Census Date: 31 Mar 1901
Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
Registration District: Grimsby
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Relationship to Head of Household: Bosen
Birth Date: 1869
Birthplace: Christones Norway
Schedule Type: Vessel
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSDZ-RYG


Birth of John Louis Lawson 1898 in New Clee, Lincoln, England:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NT44-R24


Birth of Thomas Edwin Lawson 1903 in Clee, Lincoln, England; baptized at St John the Evangelist
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NX16-67W


Birth of William Arthur Lawson 1906 in Clee, Lincoln, England:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9RM-F89


Marriage of Florence May Lawson 1916 in Great Grimsby:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFWB-LWJ

Marriage of Thomas Edward Lawson 1930:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT8R-PWB

Marriage of William Lawson 1934:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT8R-56G

Edited by - JaneC on 06/05/2015 02:38:41
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JaneC
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  02:30:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's a Louis M Lawson born 14 June 1871 in Norway
In 1900, naturalized as a US citizen in Worcester, Massachusetts, USA
(so likely he belongs in the "do not choose this candidate" pile)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14709-23762-13?cc=1840474

Edited by - JaneC on 06/05/2015 02:31:33
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JaneC
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  02:53:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So far in the posted records for Louis Martin Lawson's children (birth, marriage, no deaths yet) there are no more surprises re. his name. The transcriptions do not mention his age - but usually transcriptions are condensed. The original birth records might have more clues, I don't know.
The death records for the children, or their obituaries, might refer to their father in some other form than Louis or Lewis - to give a clue to his original Norwegian name.
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  03:09:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice find on the 1901 Census Jane, I do think that it is the Louis Larsen we are tracking.

Also Jackie, I find the second Lars Larsen very interesting. with the Marthin Larsen name for the father. Here is likely the baptisim record for him. Note the fathers name is Martin in the Ancestry.com record.

Lars Larsen in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Lars Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 mai 1872 (12 May 1872)
Baptism Date: 19 mai 1872 (19 May 1872)
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Martin Larsen
Mother: Sofie Marie Johannesen
FHL Film Number: 1282977

However, it would appear that he is still living in Norway in the 1885 Census.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053257048648

Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2015 03:56:45
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JaneC
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  03:32:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

It would be of interest to know why you think his name was Lorietza or Lauritz.
Any written sources for that? Or family folklore?


Good question.

Since the Ancestry.com public family tree gives a precise date of birth for Louis Lawson, one wonders where that came from. Must be a source, even though not posted. Dave, if you suhscribe to Ancestry.com, you can write to the tree owner.

Had a computer glitch. If memory serves, found Marthin Larsen's younger son was baptized at Trefoldighet (sp?).

Edited by - JaneC on 06/05/2015 04:20:40
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  04:04:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting in that the second son was baptised in Trefoldighet as mentioned by Jane. Here the last name of the mother is Svendsen, which makes a lot of sense for me, since I had no luck finding the marriage of Martin Larsen and a Sofie Marie Johansen but I did find the marriage of Martin Larsen and Sofie Marie Svendsen.

Here is the record for the second son.

Johannes Sigurd Larsen in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johannes Sigurd Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 mai 1874 (11 May 1874)
Baptism Date: 14 jun 1874
Baptism Place: Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Martin Larsen
Mother: Sofie Marie Svendsen
FHL Film Number: 255761
Reference ID: 2:FGC0FR

See also number 170

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=693&idx_id=693&uid=ny&idx_side=-211

And probably the marriage of the couple.

Martin Larsen in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Martin Larsen
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Date: 1847
Marriage Date: 3 jul 1871
Marriage Place: Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Lars Ericksen
Spouse: Sofie Marie Svendsen
FHL Film Number: 255761
Reference ID: 2:QMHW56

See also number 67

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=696&idx_id=696&uid=ny&idx_side=-259

Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2015 04:14:33
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  04:41:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Nice find on the 1901 Census Jane, I do think that it is the Louis Larsen we are tracking.

Also Jackie, I find the second Lars Larsen very interesting. with the Marthin Larsen name for the father. Here is likely the baptisim record for him. Note the fathers name is Martin in the Ancestry.com record.

Lars Larsen in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Lars Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 mai 1872 (12 May 1872)
Baptism Date: 19 mai 1872 (19 May 1872)
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Martin Larsen
Mother: Sofie Marie Johannesen
FHL Film Number: 1282977

However, it would appear that he is still living in Norway in the 1885 Census.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053257048648



This is not yet a problem since we only know for certain that he was in England by 1897 to marry. What he's been up to in the intervening years is not known.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  05:13:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another two years down for candidate Lars Larsen s/o Martin Larsen, his confirmation #38. It also notes his baptismal place as Trefoldighet (Trinity):
Source information: Oslo county, Uranienborg, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1880-1896), Confirmation records 1887, page 62.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5441&idx_id=5441&uid=ny&idx_side=-67

Edited by - jkmarler on 06/05/2015 05:16:10
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  17:13:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well there is a Lars M larsen in the 1900 and 1910 Norwegian Census. Is it the son of Martin and Sofie? Born in May of 1872.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/tidslinje.aspx?idi=1190456

However his birth place is listed as Nøtterøy in Vestfold so maybe not,

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01036392033684

Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2015 17:24:21
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davehunter
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  17:38:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all, Thank you so much for all your comments so far. He Did live in Orwell Street, and his grandchildren, lived very close by. Violet, Jessie, Flo, Margaret, Edith ( my mum) Ronnie, Alec. His daughter married Alexander Mckenzie Anderson in Grimsby.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  18:42:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How about this guy?
#27 Laurits Valdemar Larsen
Born: 12 Nov 1872
Christening: 23 Feb 1873, Domkirken, Oslo, Norway
Parents: Laurits Larsen & Berthe Johnsen
Illegitimate child
Source: Oslo county, Oslo Domkirke / Vår Frelsers menighet, Parish register (official) nr. 17 (1869-1878), Birth and baptism records 1873, page 261.

Seems like it could be this guy in census-1875 and census-1885.


Sorry. Still in Oslo in census-1910.

Edited by - jwiborg on 06/05/2015 20:42:17
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  20:20:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A good candidate. Here is his confirmation #6:
Source information: Oslo county, Jacob, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1880-1894), Confirmation records 1888, page 63.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5411&idx_id=5411&uid=ny&idx_side=-67

Off the board.

Here is another Laurits Bernard Larsen son of Laurits Bernard Larsen "murersvend" mason assistant or journeyman:
Source information: Oslo county, Jacob, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1880-1894), Confirmation records 1888, page 60.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5411&idx_id=5411&uid=ny&idx_side=-64

Of course, birthdate doesn't match the database and middle name an issue too.

An extreme long shot & not too likely Lars Martinius Larsen b. 29 April 1874 Christiania son of Jens Larsen #18:
Source information: Oslo county, Jacob, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1880-1894), Confirmation records 1888, page 64.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5411&idx_id=5411&uid=ny&idx_side=-68


Edited by - jkmarler on 07/05/2015 14:53:00
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vivi
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  22:40:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi

Lars the son of Martin and Sofie in this 1885 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053257048648

must be dead before 1906 because his father dies 20 sept 1906 and leaves no children behind only two children after a deceased son.
Probate no 1176 bottom right page:
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/27268/155/
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20090513390417.jpg

Vivi
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/05/2015 :  00:40:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is probably the brother of Lars Larsen whose father dies in 1906. He is married and so could be father of two:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01100021010965

How reliable are the dødfallsprotokol? In my great great grandparents's case, my great grandfather was still living at home when his mother died but he is not mentioned in the record. When the great great grandfather dies in 1898, his is accounted for, as living in U.S.
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