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heathermckenzie
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New Zealand
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  00:48:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello
Can anyone help me find information about my husband's great grandfather? I have the marriage certificate for his second marriage in New Zealand in 1889. At that time he was 49. He was born in Gjerpen, Norway. His father was Lars Sivertsen, a farmer and his mother Maline Gurine Sivertsen. Her maiden name was Olsen. I am not sure if I have got Maline's second name correct as it is hard to read the handwriting on the marriage document. His first wife was called Marea and she died in New Zealand in 1887. I don't know anything else so I don't know if he came to New Zealand on his own, with parents, or with Marea.
My husband and I would love to know some more.
Heather

jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  01:07:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
His baptism is #81 on the left page:
Source information: Telemark county, Gjerpen, Parish register (official) nr. 7A (1834-1857), Birth and baptism records 1839, page 40.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7796&idx_id=7796&uid=ny&idx_side=-44

His confirmation #23 left page:
Source information: Telemark county, Gjerpen, Parish register (official) nr. 7A (1834-1857), Confirmation records 1855, page 203.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7796&idx_id=7796&uid=ny&idx_side=-216

Here he is leaving the parish for "Wester"[? Waaler I see now#22 right page:
Source information: Telemark county, Gjerpen, Parish register (official) nr. 7B (1834-1857), Migration records 1856-1857, page 484.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7797&idx_id=7797&uid=ny&idx_side=-214

He was styled as "bachelor" when he left Gjerpen.

Edited by - jkmarler on 06/05/2015 14:12:30
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vivi
Senior member

Norway
371 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  01:10:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi

Gjerpen church is a very old church. Here is how it looks like today:

http://youtu.be/hdF9AKD1GAM

Vivi
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
9301 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  01:32:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probably the marriage of Lars and Gurine.

Lars Sivertsen in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Lars Sivertsen
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Date: 1802
Marriage Date: 5 jan 1830
Marriage Place: Gjerpen, Telemark, Norway
Father: Sivert Hansen
Spouse: Malene Gurine Olsdr

See also number 5.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1366&idx_id=1366&uid=ny&idx_side=-158

Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2015 01:34:19
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  01:39:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probably the birth of Lars Sivertsen in Gjerpen, Telemark, Norway.

Lars Sivertsen in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Lars Sivertsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 7 jun 1802
Baptism Place: Gjerpen, Telemark, Norway
Father: Sivert Hansson
Mother:
FHL Film Number: 126929
Reference ID: Bk3, p19, #58

Also see number 58

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7883&idx_id=7883&uid=ny&idx_side=-21


Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2015 01:42:54
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 06/05/2015 :  01:55:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This could be the father of Lars Sivertsen in the 1801 Census. Lars was not yet born, but Sivert was living on the Solie farm in Gjerpen, Telemark. He was single at that time.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058304002168

Here is a good candidate for the baptism record for Sivert father of Lars.

Sivert Hansen in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Sivert Hansen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 17 sep 1775
Baptism Place: Gjerpen, Telemark, Norway
Father: Hans Solie
Mother:
FHL Film Number: 126929
Reference ID: Bk2, #107

Note the Solie last name for Siverts father.

Also see number 107 left page.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7882&idx_id=7882&uid=ny&idx_side=-76




Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2015 02:00:56
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
9301 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  02:32:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a candidate for Malene Gurine.

Malene Gurine Olesdatter in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Malene Gurine Olesdatter
[Malene Gurine Gundersen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 24 jun 1802
Baptism Place: Eidanger, Telemark, Norway
Father: Ole Gundersen
Mother: Karen Halvorsdr
FHL Film Number: 126925
Reference ID: 2:13QJPM8

See also June 24 , right hand page.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7861&idx_id=7861&uid=ny&idx_side=-101
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AntonH
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USA
9301 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  02:37:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probably the family of Ole and Karen before Malene Gurine was born. The 1801 Census for Eidanger, Telemark. They seemed to like the name Malene.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058305000019

Probably their marriage

Ole Gunderson in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Ole Gunderson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 18 mai 1797 (18 May 1797)
Marriage Place: Eidanger, Telemark, Norway
Spouse: Karen Halvorsdr
FHL Film Number: 126925
Reference ID: 2:13QN5Z4

See right hand page April 18 for the engagement.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7861&idx_id=7861&uid=ny&idx_side=-127

Edited by - AntonH on 06/05/2015 02:44:39
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eibache
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Norway
6495 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  07:40:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Malene Gurine was baptized June 24 1802, see 6th record on right page
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7861&idx_id=7861&uid=ny&idx_side=-101
Her parents were Ole Gundersen and Karen Halvorsdatter, Ødevald.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 06/05/2015 08:05:06
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eibache
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Norway
6495 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  07:50:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Malen Gurines parents and siblings in 1801 http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058305000019

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 06/05/2015 07:57:23
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eibache
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Norway
6495 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  08:04:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ole Gundersen and Karen Halvorsdatter was engaged April 18 1797, see 2nd record on right page http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7861&idx_id=7861&uid=ny&idx_side=-127.
Oles parents are Gunner Olsen, and Malene Jørgensdatter, Ødevald see 180 census.
Karens father most likely Halvor Steenersen.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 06/05/2015 08:10:37
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eibache
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Norway
6495 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  09:54:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Here he is leaving the parish for "Wester"? #22 right page

Actually the whole family left Engrav for Waaler April 14 1856, see #19-23, http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7797&idx_id=7797&uid=ny&idx_side=-214.
Parents. Lars Sivertsen and Malene Gurine Olsdatter,
Children: Simon Larsen, Ole Larsen, and Anne Kirstine Larsdatter.


Einar

Edited by - eibache on 06/05/2015 10:04:52
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JaneC
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USA
3020 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  10:08:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The family in 1835 Norway census - before Ole was born - Lars, Malene, and son Simon. Residing at Enggrav m/Skiefield Gården in Gjerpen:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01051194000916

Edited by - JaneC on 06/05/2015 10:14:01
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heathermckenzie
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New Zealand
8 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  10:33:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you all very much. So much information so quickly. I am astounded!

Although there are qualifications like "probably" the information seems quite credible to me. So exciting. I will be sharing this information with all of the family.

We will be in Europe again some time in the future and so maybe we should visit some of these places.
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JaneC
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USA
3020 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2015 :  11:02:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How nice to visit, yes.

Here on the Gamle Gjerpen website (old Gjerpen) the family of Lars Sivertsen, Engrav is discussed:
http://gamlegjerpen.no/Bygdebok/Enggrav/EnggravA.htm

Says that in the church book record of the family incoming to Våle in Vestfold Lars is noted as Lars Sivertsen Riis, if I understand correctly (I don't speak Norwegian and understand only a little), that daughter Inger Karin 1837-1905 lived in Oslo (Christiania), died in Moss. Says Lars and wife had a son Ole Larsen born Jan 1833, died Dec 1833. Often parents name a child after an earlier child who has died, and your Ole may be a namesake for this brother.

And here, same site, Lars's father Sivert Hansen, Riis:
http://gamlegjerpen.no/Bygdebok/Riis/SivertRonningen18.htm

The farm name (address name) is flexible and can change.


Edited by - JaneC on 09/05/2015 13:52:19
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heathermckenzie
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New Zealand
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Posted - 09/05/2015 :  06:16:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have now obtained Ole's death certificate and it says he came to New Zealand when he was 37.
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