So if he arrived New Zealand about age 37, that's about the mid-1870s.
The family left Gjerpen for Våle in Vestfold and registered their departure with the parish priest: Lars Sivertsen Engrav, 54 Malene Gurine Olsdatter, hands Kone (=his wife), 53. Deres Børn (= their children): Sivert Larsen Engrav, 26 Ole Larsen Engrav, 17 - f. 18/10-1839 (f. = født, which means born. Born 18 October 1839) Anne Kirstine Larsdatter, 11 Til (til=to) Waaler (Våle)
arrival registered 14 April 1856 in Våle churchbook, arriving from Gjerpen: See #7-11 Lars Sivertsen Riis, 54 Malene Gurine Olsdr, 53. Deres Børn (= their children): Simon, born at Engrav, 7/May/1830 Ole, born at Gjerpen 18 October 1839 <---------------------- Anne Kerstine, born 2 Feb 1845
So to find Ole Larsen leaving Norway we'd check the leaving records, leaving from Våle (utflyttede). On the link above, you'll see incoming people on the left hand page and people leaving on the right hand page of the churchbook. He could go somewhere else first, or leave directly from there. In a quick check I haven't seen him.
I have now obtained Ole's death certificate and it says he came to New Zealand when he was 37.
What else did the death certificate say (re. his parents and birth place)?
Also, you wrote: "His first wife was called Marea and she died in New Zealand in 1887." May I ask how do you know this? What is your source? Do you have her death record?
Here's a Family Search website transcription of a marriage: Ole Larsen, age 22, born 1839 (in Gjerpen) Spouse: Marie Nilsdatter, age 25, born 1836 Event Date: 14 Oct 1861 Event Place: Domkirken, Oslo, Akershus, Norway Ole's Father: Lars Sivertsen Marie's Father: Nils Erlandsen Link
The original churchbook record says ungkarl (bachelor) Ole Larsen is born in Gjerpen. See #67
According to the Gamle Gjerpen researcher this should be his sister Inger. Maybe useful to check baptism records, see if Ole is a godparent (and still in Norway).
1875 Norway Census Kristiania kjøpstad Address: Welhavens Gade 1 Lars Christiansen 1844 born Vang Prestegjeld hf g Snedkersvend b Inger Christiansen 1837 born in Nedre Telemarken kone g b Carl Christiansen 1868 born in Kristiania s b Eugenie Christiansen 1870 born in Kristiania d b Villiam Christiansen 1873 Kristiania s b Arnold Christiansen 1875 Kristiania s b
1885 Norway Census Kristiania kjøpstad Gamle Akers Menighed Address: Sofiegade 19 Lars Christiansen 1844 born in Vang Hedemarken, occupation Snedkersvend Inger Karine Christiansen 1837 born in Hjerpen Song Hustru Eugenie Mathilde Denora Christiansen* 1870 Hegdehaugen Datter Villiam Aleksander Nekkolai Christiansen* 1872 Kristiania Søn Lars Imil Arnold Christiansen* 1875 Kristiania Søn Georina Vigtore Hvillemin Christiansen* 1878 Kristiania Datter Inga Josefine Rosalia Christiansen* 1881 Kristiania Datter
Birth-Baptism Lars Emil Arnold Christiansen Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 jul 1875 Baptism Date: 9 jan 1876 Baptism Place: Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway Father: Lars Christiansen Mother: Inger Karine Larsen FHL Film Number: 255761 Reference ID: 2:FGD1PD
So it is unlikely that the whole family came to New Zealand together. This is likely Anne Kirstine Larsen in the 1865 Norwegian Census living with the Manthey family as per the reference by JaneC to the Gamle Gjerpen website.
1865 Norway census in Kristiania (Oslo) Lars Syvertsen 63 born in Hjerpens Prgj. occupation: Skomagerarbeider Maline Syvertsen f Olsdatter 62 born in Hjerpens Prgj. ...none of their children live at this address http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038027056935
When I posted about Ole Larsen's occupation and names of children from the first marriage it was because I'd seen this one. I didn't post a link for it since it was so off the wall.
A lot of things are mixed up on this entry if it is "our" Ole Larsen-- birthplace for starters unless it's a bad read of a poorly rendered Telemarken. The wife is older by a few years than the marriage record, but the children seem to begin about the right time (abt 1862) And the shoemaking occupation seemed outside the bounds too, but now, if his father is so occupied in the big city perhaps he was, also.
But still an incredible long long shot.
Thanks for finding another spelling for Gjerpen, that might help open things up as well.
Here is a transcribed baptism record for the son Olaf Gothard. Also mother's name is Christoffersdatter so that pushes it further out side realm of possible: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH4B-758
Ole Larsen in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926 Name: Ole Larsen Gender: Male Age: 34 Birth Date: 18 des 1839 (18 Dec 1839) Marriage Date: 25 okt 1874 (25 Oct 1874) Marriage Place: Domkirken, Oslo, Akershus, Norway Father: Lars Larsen Spouse: Marthe Lovise Andersdr FHL Film Number: 255752 Reference ID: 2:R9QXRH
Since we've not found Ole in 1865 census, possibility exists he could possibiy maybe have emigrated beforehand. Then another explanation would be needed for the death record info.
Thank you again everyone for your help. The marriage certificate at the time that Ole married for the second time in 1889 has a place to note if bachelor or spinster and if widowed the date of death of the previous spouse. The date is 29 August 1887. Divorced is not an option! Ole's age is noted as 49 on the 1889 marriage certificate, which is consistent with a birth date of 1839 as suggested in this forum. Also Ole's occupation is noted as "carpenter". A headstone in a cemetery in Palmerston North, New Zealand says " Ole Larsen died 17 November 1916 aged 77, also his wife Marea". The cemetery records give her date of death as 1887. Ole's death certificate has nothing written for parents. Obviously the family he had at that time had not been told or had forgotten who his parents were. Norway would seem a long way away. However, Ole Larsen has a father called Lars Sivertsen and mother called Maline Gurine (maiden name Olsen in NZ but obviously Olsdatter in Norway) as that is what he noted on the marriage certificate in 1889.
Yes I would like to know when Ole came to New Zealand. It is interesting for some New Zealanders to know where our ancestors came from and how many generations there have been in New Zealand. A lot of Scandinavians arrived in the 1870s.
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Looking for Ole Larsen
Posted - 09/05/2015 : 14:10:54
