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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 25/06/2015 : 02:22:21
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| In the original subject Susan is ascribed a B middle initial what record does that come from? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/06/2015 : 05:02:06
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Can't speak to Ron's sources - but transcription of son Louis's death record at Washington State Digital Archives shows mother Susen B. Nelson:
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/3EA659BF026C1DDC567F94312FE4D050
I haven't seen the 1900 census. That would add a month of birth, as well as another notation of her immigration year. A Myksvoll Family history website calls her Susanna Sarah Nelson (I'll search and post if I find it again). I think the site creator mentioned Earl Allen Tweedt as a source (born 1899, he may not have known his mother well). Nothing on parents but Johan and Amelia Nelson. My interpretation of Susanna Sarah is of two American versions of one first name, rather than a middle name added to Susan. Just a guess of course.
Back with the Myksvoll family website:
http://www.remmick.org/Hubert.Vikings/Page12.html
And here: http://www.remmick.org/Hubert.Vikings/Page17.html
Checking originals of Susan's marriage and death records are obvious next steps, but often when there's no blood relationship these purchases aren't high on the to-do list.
The Wisconsin Historical Society online genealogy index does not include an 1872 marriage record in Waupaca county, not that I found anyway. Seems to me many other times we've found that index to be incomplete. So we don't know the source yet for that, which would be the earliest sighting of Susan. The family tree passenger manifest 1866 for Susanne Niledatter might be a stab in the dark by the tree creator, unless the original shows her traveling with parents Johan and Amelia (and how could it? She should be Johansdatter or similar). |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/06/2015 : 16:19:39
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Her arrival, nothing of note in the original manifest.
Synneve Johannesen
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Synneve Johannesen
Gender: Female
Age: 13
Birth Year: abt 1854
Date of Arrival: May 1867
Vessel: Brodrene
Search Ship Database: Search for the Brodrene in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/06/2015 : 16:33:45
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I haven't seen the 1900 census. That would add a month of birth, as well as another notation of her immigration year
Susan Tweedt
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Susan Tweedt
Age: 48
Birth Date: Mar 1852
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Genesee, Latah, Idaho
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1865
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Hans C Tweedt
Marriage Year: 1872
Years Married: 28
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Mother: number of living children: 10
Mother: How many children: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Hans C Tweedt 53
Susan Tweedt 48
Emma B Tweedt 25
Louis L Tweedt 21
Christian G Tweedt 18
Annie C Tweedt 16
Fred W Tweedt 14
Geo E Tweedt 12
Henry E Tweedt 10
Sarah M Tweedt 5
Earl E Tweedt 8/12
John Moore 38
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/06/2015 : 23:31:24
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The family of Hans in the 1865 Norwegian Census.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/06/2015 : 00:18:32
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is a long shot possible on NorwayHeritage site Synneve Johannesdatter Vigoren #141 age 13 arriving 1867:
http://norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=274&ps=54258
One of 257 Syn* Jo* born 185*, here she is on Vigoren in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038253000385
Thanks Anton - so she's born in March, if the 1900 census is correct.
The 1880 census and 1900 census agree she's born in 1852.
In 1910 and 1920 her dob was reported by a hospital representative, no doubt - seems these types of informants are often inaccurate.
Her tombstone says born 1848, but at that point she has died, and has been living apart from her children for many years. Hans is remarried and living far away and possibly did not weigh in.
The candidate in 1870 is not confirmed to be the right Susan.
Thus the date of birth most likely to be most nearly correct is March 1852, plus or minus a year or two - which fits with first child b ca 1872.
Here is the birth of Jackie's candidate - born 09 June 1854, in Vik, Sogn og Fjordane, father Johannes Jacobsen? Wulf:
#71
Daughter Emma also has middle initial B, according to her death record 05 May 1953, Washington State Digital Archives:
Link
Oregon Select Births and Christenings:
Name: Hans Christian Johnson Tweedt
Gender: Male
Spouse: Sussana Nelson
Child: Emma Berthena Tweedt
Find-a-Grave she is Emma Bertina Tweedt (Susan is buried same cemetery)
Link
As a long shot maybe Susan is Susanna Bertina...
Wonder where "Sarah" comes in.
Susan's burial at
Riverview Heights
Kennewick, Benton County, Washington, USA
Link
Emma had actually married in 1925 - marriage record gives her mother's birthplace as Norway:
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Edited by - JaneC on 26/06/2015 07:30:08 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/06/2015 : 00:40:35
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Hans C J Tweedt - the following poking at him didn't help, but it's possible that in one of the family members birth, baptism, confirmation, marriage, death record etc. some additional snip of a clue might be found.
1910
Kennewick, Benton, Washington
H C Tweedt 70 b abt 1840 Norway, divorced, to USA 1853, county road commissioner
Sarah May Tweedt 15 b Idaho
Earl Tweedt 10 b Idaho
C G Tweedt 28 b Idaho
Ethel M Tweedt 25 [26] daughter-in-law, b Idaho
Kenneth Tweedt 1 [1 1/12] b Washington, grandson
Here's the woman he's said to have married:
1900
Makawao, Maui, Hawaii Territory
Henry Long 40 b Hawaii
Mary K Long 29 b Hawaii
Eva Long 3 adopted daughter, b Jan 1897 Hawaii, father b Sweden, mother b Hawaiian Islands, race: Polynesian Hawaiian (Polynesian)
A trip departing Honolulu, Hawaii, on the Wilhelmina
Destination San Francisco
Arrival 28 June 1922
includes the birth date of Hans - I was curious:
Hans Tweedt age 75, b 29 Nov 1846 Norway, naturalized at Lewiston, Idaho 1880, address in the United States is Honolulu
Eva Tweedt age 25 b 12 June 1897 in Honolulu
So Susan had long been living in an institution by the time Hans married Eva (presuming they've not been married too many years before this trip)
1920
Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii Territory
Nano Tweedt 73 married, b abt 1847 Norway, immigration 1886
Eva Tweedt 22 b Hawaii, married, father b Sweden mother b Hawaii
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/06/2015 : 03:12:27
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I wonder if this is not Susan Nelson in the 1870 US Census living in Waupaca, Wisconsin. Looking at the orginal census form I would say the transcriber misread Nelson as Helson. Father is John Nelson and birth year is correct for some of what we know.
I think the Susan Nelson in Rock County is just too far from Waupaca to have been married in Waupaca in 1872.
Susan Helson
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Susan Helson
Age in 1870: 18
Birth Year: abt 1852
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Scandinavia, Waupaca, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Scandinavia
Value of Real Estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
John Helson 54
Lucy Helson 54
Elizabeth Helson 20
Susan Helson 18
Andrew J Helson 15
Louisa Jenson 25
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/06/2015 : 08:13:49
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Excellent find Anton!
Here is a link to the image of the 1870 page at familysearch. Familysearch transcribed the name as Nelson but looking at the original one can see how an H might be found instead of an N:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNSX-K7H |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7790 Posts |
Posted - 28/06/2015 : 15:47:44
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Here is part of the article Anton linked to earlier:
"Hans C. J. Tweedt was born in Bergen, Norway, on November 29, 1846, being the son of Christian J. and Anna (Seim) Tweedt, large farmers in that country. Our subject received a good education and at the age of seventeen years started for himself. Three years later, 1866, he came to America, and spent two years in the vicinity of Madison, Wisconsin, working and then went to Wausau, in the same state, where four years were spent in the timber in 1874 Mr. Tweedt came to Marion County, Oregon, purchased a farm and tilled the soil there until 1877, when he came to his present location, one and one-half miles northeast from Genesee, this being Nez Perces County then. He took a homestead and soon began to add further land by purchase until he now owns five hundred and sixty acres, which is abundant in producing crops, giving as high as eleven thousand bushels in one year. Mr. Tweedt has a fine twelve-room residence, large barn, forty by eighty, with plenty of substantial out buildings, and a blacksmith shop, while a fine orchard and other tasty and valuable improvements make his home one of rural beauty and comfort. On an adjoining farm he has good buildings also. Mr. Tweedt has thirty head of cattle and plenty of stock and utensils for his large estate, and is one of the most progressive and skillful men of the county. In political matters, Mr. Tweedt has always taken an active interest and in 1898 the people called him to serve in the responsible position of county commissioner, running on the Republican ticket against A. Beardsley on the Fusion ticket and gaining the day by a handsome majority. Also the school interests have gained by his service on the boards. In 1872 Mr. Tweedt married Miss Susana, daughter of John and Amelia Nelson, of Waupaca County, Wisconsin, and they have become the parents of fifteen children, five of whom are dead and ten living, as follows: Carl J., living in Nez Perces County on a fine farm of one quarter section; Emma B., attending the normal and at present teaching school; Louis A., a student at the Idaho University, from which he will graduate in 1903; Christ G., at home; Fred, at home; Annie C., a student at the university; George E., Henry E., Sarah M., Earl A., the last four also at home...."
The reason I bolded the Marion county, Oregon detail is that there is a John Nelson b abt 1816 Norway living in Marion county in 1880. A few ripples on other details but....
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNCL-1CF
John Nelson Self M 64 Norway
Emma Nelson Wife F 65 Germany
L Andrew Nelson Son M 25 Germany
District: 84 , Sheet Number and Letter: 98A , GS Film Number: 1255082 , Digital Folder Number: 004243850 , Image Number: 00541
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1880," Database with images, FamilySearch (: accessed 28 June 2015), John Nelson, Abiqua, Marion, Oregon, United States; citing enumeration district 84, sheet 98A, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 1082; FHL microfilm 1,255,082.
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Edited by - jkmarler on 28/06/2015 15:56:15 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/06/2015 : 16:39:51
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Great find Jackie, And in the orginal on Ancestry.com the birth place of Emma and L. Andrew is not Germany but Bergen.
Emma Nelson
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Emma Nelson
Age: 65
Birth Year: abt 1815
Birthplace: Birgen
Home in 1880: Abiqua, Marion, Oregon
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: John Nelson
Father's Birthplace: Birgen
Mother's Birthplace: Birgen |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/06/2015 : 22:36:21
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| Another thing is that Amelia and Emma are very similar names. |
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Looking for emigrant Susan B. Nelson
