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csavard24
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jkmarler
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 Posted - 23/07/2015 : 16:39:13
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Here is a copy of the only other Ann* Tol* in Tune in the 1801 census, living on Claus Tolfson's farm, interesting:
Household members
001 01 Claus Tolfsen 37 Mand 1. ægteskab Huusmand med jord og skoeleholder.
002 01 Ellen Pedersdatter 34 Hans kone 1. ægteskab
003 01 Anne Clausdatter 2 Deres datter
004 01 Marie Heljesdatter 60 Hans moder Enke 1. gang
005 01 Anne Tolfsdatter 25 Hendes datter Ugivt
Residence (house/farm/property)
0022 Braatten, Plads
001 Thunøe Thunøe
Maybe she is the Anne who married Rasmus Olsen, who was also ironically from Eidsberg |
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 16:46:39
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See number 33
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=453&idx_id=453&uid=ny&idx_side=-162
csavard24
Things will work better if you post the link to "Permanent sidelenke'
From Ancestr.com record
Name: Hans Rasmussen
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 23
Birth Date: 1819
Marriage Date: 2 sep 1842
Marriage Place: Tune, Østfold, Norway
Father: Rasmus Hansen
Spouse: Anne Margrethe Andersdotter
FHL Film Number: 255793
Reference ID: bk 1 |
Edited by - AntonH on 23/07/2015 16:58:15 |
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Kåarto
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 17:31:19
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| So there appears to be no marriage record for Rasmus Hansen and Anne Tolvsdatter in Tune. Personally I've searched the marriages from 1811-1819 and the only Anne Tolfsdatter marriage I found was the one posted for Rasmus Olson and Anne. I've also looked through Eidsberg 1815-1819 marriages and Rakkestad and Onsø marriages same dates. The writing in the Tune records are especially crabbed so I could have overlooked it. I hope someone else on forum will look through them to check for it. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 17:48:59
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Here is a death of an Hellene Rasmusdatter aged 14 days on Bentemyr left hand page, right hand column 10 Dec 1814 (but recorded in 1815)
:Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1797-1815), Death and burial records 1815, page 529-530.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7495&idx_id=7495&uid=ny&idx_side=-261
Hellene's baptism is recorded in the illegitmate children's section, right hand page, right column. Her father is bachelor Rasmus Olsen Bohlen from Edsberg:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1797-1815), Birth and baptism records 1813-1815, page 323-324.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7495&idx_id=7495&uid=ny&idx_side=-162
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 18:08:25
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So there appears to be no marriage record for Rasmus Hansen and Anne Tolvsdatter in Tune. Personally I've searched the marriages from 1811-1819 and the only Anne Tolfsdatter marriage I found was the one posted for Rasmus Olson and Anne. I've also looked through Eidsberg 1815-1819 marriages and Rakkestad and Onsø marriages same dates. The writing in the Tune records are especially crabbed so I could have overlooked it. I hope someone else on forum will look through them to check for it.
I also looked through the marriages for Tune from 1810 to 1825 and found nothing. That is when I posted the comment about it being difficult to find the marriage as the reason why it was not yet posted. However we both could have missed it as the records as you said are hard to read.
I also used the search aspect of Ancestry.com for 'Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926" for all of Ostfold with no luck. Then I used the Ancestry.com search function for all of Norway with no luck. Now iit is possible that Ancestry has not yet transcribed all of the records for Tune but I did find the second marriage for Rassmus and the marriage for Rasmus Olsen so that is unlikely. |
Edited by - AntonH on 23/07/2015 18:12:34 |
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jkmarler
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 19:05:24
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is the death of an Ane Marie Tolfsdatter age 29 who dies in 1823 in Tune #35:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1823-1831), Death and burial records women 1823, page 670-671.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7498&idx_id=7498&uid=ny&idx_side=-314
She died at the house of her brother Erik Tollefson on Greager
Interesting farm Greager.
Hans Rasmussen, handler and landowner and Anne Marie Andersdatter on Greager with 9 sons and her parents 1865
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 19:08:13
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I guess the things which are bothering me are the coincidences & confusion between Rasmus Olsen and Rasmus Hansen.
Both were from Eidsberg.
Both were on Bentemyr (perhaps at close but slightly different times)
Both were married to an Anne Tolfsdatter
Both were in Tune mid to late 18teens
Could they be the same man?
If they were the same man it would be a tough resolution between whether its Olson or Hanson. Sometimes you see that situation of going back and forth because the father has a "double" first name, ie Carl Johan, are you CarlJohanson or Carlson or Johanson? |
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csavard24
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 19:20:15
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Originally posted by Kåarto
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is the death of an Ane Marie Tolfsdatter age 29 who dies in 1823 in Tune #35:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1823-1831), Death and burial records women 1823, page 670-671.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7498&idx_id=7498&uid=ny&idx_side=-314
She died at the house of her brother Erik Tollefson on Greager
Interesting farm Greager.
Hans Rasmussen, handler and landowner and Anne Marie Andersdatter on Greager with 9 sons and her parents 1865
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 19:20:26
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I have also bumped into Rasmus Olsen sevaral times, errors appears, he is a good candidate and there was proopreading.
The priest had no idea that someone nearly 200 years later questioned whether he had mispelled Rasmus Hansens lastname.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 19:20:30
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Re: Anne
I think its wise to look at home first in Tune for candidates. There are only two living in Tune in 1801. Anne born about 1795 and Anne born about 1776.
So far there is only one Anne Tolfsdatter marriage between 1810 and 1820 in Tune, the one to Rasmus Olson in 1814. There are two deaths for Anne Tolfsdatters in Tune between 1811-1828.
Anne 1795 is the one who dies in 1823. She is not identified as a wife of anyone only as a sister in the death record.
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csavard24
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 19:25:02
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Originally posted by csavard24
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Originally posted by Kåarto
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is the death of an Ane Marie Tolfsdatter age 29 who dies in 1823 in Tune #35:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1823-1831), Death and burial records women 1823, page 670-671.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7498&idx_id=7498&uid=ny&idx_side=-314
She died at the house of her brother Erik Tollefson on Greager
Interesting farm Greager.
Hans Rasmussen, handler and landowner and Anne Marie Andersdatter on Greager with 9 sons and her parents 1865
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Yes, This my ancestor Hans Rasmussen. His son, Robert A., is my G-G-grand-father (Robert Anton Hansen). :-) |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/07/2015 : 19:36:47
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| Okay, so when did Rasmus Hansen and Rasmus Olsen die? |
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