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csavard24
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 Posted - 27/07/2015 : 23:34:36
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Originally posted by csavard24
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Rasmus Hansen b 1795 's father Hans Rasmussen died in 1809, funeral 12 Mar 1809, right hand page near top:
Source information: Østfold county, Eidsberg, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1807-1814), Death and burial records 1809, page 205.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7490&idx_id=7490&uid=ny&idx_side=-64
Confirmation Andreas Hansen Holm brother to Rasmus Hansen, left page second entry:
Source information: Østfold county, Eidsberg, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1807-1814), Confirmation records 1809-1810, page 122.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7490&idx_id=7490&uid=ny&idx_side=-44
If we consider that Rasmus Hansen and Rasmus Olsen are the same person, then normally we would see a point in time where the name changed, right?
In the records, we see:
1795, Rasmus Hansen (baptism)
1801, Rasmus Hansen (census)
1810, Rasmus Hansen (confirmation)
1814, Rasmus Olsen (father at birth)
1814, Rasmus Olsen (groom)
1816, Rasmus Olsen (father at birth)
1817, Rasmus Hansen (father at birth)
1818, Rasmus Hansen (father at birth)
1829, Rasmus Hansen (groom)
1834, Rasmus Hansen (father at birth)
1834, Rasmus Hansen (father at Hans confirmation)
1836, Rasmus Hansen (father at birth)
1839, Rasmus Hansen (father at birth)
1840, Rasmus Hansen (death ?)
1842, Rasmus Hansen (Father at wedding)
To me, it looks like we're mixing up 2 persons. If we wouldn't have any record Rasmus Hansen before 1814, then this theorie would make sense.
... unless Rasmus had something to hide at age 18. He could have escape a ship (just like my g-g-grand-father did in 1893)... Then once the things went back to normal, he took his name back... I know it's far fetch... but.. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/07/2015 : 01:26:41
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Yes there is a change, in the records in Tune. Rasmus Olsen is never mentioned again after 1816. He didn't die there from 1815-1840, there's no migration record for him leaving.
I'm saying there is a screw up in the records and that there only ever was Rasmus Hansen but he was unschooled and did not know what the pastor wrote into the books about him. Therefore since the same Anne Tolvsdatter was the partner of "each" man there is only one marriage because she only married once. |
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csavard24
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Posted - 28/07/2015 : 02:00:08
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Yes there is a change, in the records in Tune. Rasmus Olsen is never mentioned again after 1816. He didn't die there from 1815-1840, there's no migration record for him leaving.
I'm saying there is a screw up in the records and that there only ever was Rasmus Hansen but he was unschooled and did not know what the pastor wrote into the books about him. Therefore since the same Anne Tolvsdatter was the partner of "each" man there is only one marriage because she only married once.
But that Anne did give birth late in her 50's, which makes no sense... right?
And also we have records for both Olsen and Hansen before 1814, as if they were two persons...
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/07/2015 : 03:06:50
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| Anne's death record is only an estimate of age. The actual entry says circa so about 68. Physically not likely that 9 years earlier than age 68 that she would have given birth at 59. But her actual age in 1814 would have been 39 and certainly well within a normal woman's age of fertility. But she had no children after 1818, so was out of the baby business in her early 40s. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/07/2015 : 04:31:50
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Here's an Anne Tolfsdatter who is not accounted for, baptism of Marthe Arvesdatte:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1797-1815), Birth and baptism records 1815, page 241-242.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7495&idx_id=7495&uid=ny&idx_side=-123
Mother Anne Tolfsdatter of son Ole #3:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1822), Birth and baptism records 1817, page 40-41.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7496&idx_id=7496&uid=ny&idx_side=-23
Anne Tolfsdatter faddernes for twins Inger and Birthe #87:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1822), Birth and baptism records 1821, page 188-189.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7496&idx_id=7496&uid=ny&idx_side=-98
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csavard24
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 29/07/2015 : 17:56:36
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Anne's death record is only an estimate of age. The actual entry says circa so about 68. Physically not likely that 9 years earlier than age 68 that she would have given birth at 59. But her actual age in 1814 would have been 39 and certainly well within a normal woman's age of fertility. But she had no children after 1818, so was out of the baby business in her early 40s.
if 1827 = 68
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1814 = 55 (not 39)
1818 = 59
Too old to give birth. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/07/2015 : 19:21:53
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| Born abt 1775 (as the only Anne Cathrine Tolfsdatter born in Tune is) age in 1814 is 39. Well within in "fertile years". |
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csavard24
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Posted - 05/08/2015 : 19:03:12
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Ok... I need to do more research. We came up with assumptions that can't be confirmed with what we have. I guess it's gonna keep me busy for the next months to come.
Thank you all fro you kindness and generosity. It's REALLY appreciated. :-)
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/08/2015 : 02:50:18
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Recently I was able to investigate the Bygdebøker for Eidsberg Parish. Unfortunatley the bygdebøker for Eidsberg parish do not cover the sub parish Trømborg of the main parish of Eidsberg. Thus no new information was found on either Rasmus Hansen of Holm farm, Trømsborg sub-parish of Eidsberg Parish or Rasmus Olsen of Kursmose, Trømsborg sub-parish of Eidsberg Parish.
I also investigated the bygdebok for Tune Gardshistorie Del 2 by Ulf Grøndahl. While some infomation was found in this book it really did not add any new information to what has already been posted here.
Page 150 covers Bentemyrbråten. The information given here has been repeated in the article from the Tune Historielag. Since the brief snippet in the Hisorielag has quotes around it, I would assume that they obtained it from the Tune Bygdebok.
It states.
Rasmus Monsen Bentemyr and kona Anne Tollefsdtr. og sonnen Hans på 11år bodde her i 1826 da Anne døde. De bodde i en gammel brøstfertig hytte og det var intet å registere ved skiftet etter Anne.
Thats all that I could find on any of the Rasmus group.
Further into the book the farm of Lunestad was covered however Anne was not even mentioned in that section. She was mentioned in the sub section of Bråten.
The following information is given in the section for Lunestady titled
Bråten
Bråten er nevnd som husmansplass under Lunestad i 1801.Plassen ble da brukt av husmann med jord og skoleholder Klaus Tolfsen, 37 år, g. m. Ellen Pedersdtr. Klaus mor Mari Helgesdtr. på 60 år og hans søster Anne Tolfsdtr. på 25 år bodde her i 1801.
I do not think we have obtained any new information in these bygdebøker. |
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csavard24
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Posted - 06/01/2016 : 16:18:31
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Thanks from your help.. It's very appreciated.. :-)
BTW, I was finally able to find the location of Hans Rasmussen's farm in Greaker, It was located a few meters from this house... His descendant still lives there today. |
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Rasmus Hansen and Marie Anne Tolfsdatter
