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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  07:42:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The faddernes for the first Hans are: hmd (husmand) Arne Pedersen Vister; p (pige) Dorthe Thorersdatter ibid (on Vister); Sven Thorsen ibid (on Vister); Sven Svenson Lunnestad; Hans Christianson Wesleng

Hans Christianson Wesleng was one of the bondsmen for the only marriage in the records of Tune for an AnneTolvsdatter, the one to Rasmus Olson. Lunnestad is the farm where Claus Tolvson lived and where Anne Tolvsdatter was at the time of the 1814 marriage.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  08:06:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Please look at death #21 that of a 1 month old girl named Birthe Marie Rasmusdatter, a husmands daughter on Wister plads:

Source information: Ĝstfold county, Tune, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1822), Death and burial records 1816, page 192-193.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7496&idx_id=7496&uid=ny&idx_side=-100

Then check the births for the pre May months. There is no Birthe Marie Rasmusdatter recorded. There is, however, Marthe Marie Rasmusdatter the second daughter of Rasmus Olson and Anne Tolvsdatter. Very likely another clerical error.
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csavard24
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  16:24:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Olsen vs Hansen

Confirmed records for Hansen:
Tune 1817: father Ramus Hansen (birth Hans)
Tune 1818: father Ramus Hansen (birth Hans)
Tune 1829: husband Rasmus Hansen (marriage to Helene Hansdatter )
Tune 1834: father Ramus Hansen (birth Ellen Marthea Rasmusdr)
Tune 1834: father Ramus Hansen (confirmation Hans)
Tune 1836: father Ramus Hansen (birth Marthin Rasmusen)
Tune 1839: father Ramus Hansen (birth Carsten Rasmussen)
Tune 1842: father Ramus Hansen (marriage Hans )

Confirmed records for Olsen:
Tune 1814: father Ramus Olsen
Tune 1815: Husband Ramus Olsen
Tune 1816: father Ramus Olsen
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csavard24
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  16:44:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by csavard24

Olsen vs Hansen

Confirmed records for Hansen:
Tune 1817: father Ramus Hansen (birth Hans)
Tune 1818: father Ramus Hansen (birth Hans)
Tune 1829: husband Rasmus Hansen (marriage to Helene Hansdatter )
Tune 1834: father Ramus Hansen (birth Ellen Marthea Rasmusdr)
Tune 1834: father Ramus Hansen (confirmation Hans)
Tune 1836: father Ramus Hansen (birth Marthin Rasmusen)
Tune 1839: father Ramus Hansen (birth Carsten Rasmussen)
Tune 1842: father Ramus Hansen (marriage Hans )

Confirmed records for Olsen:
Tune 1814: father Ramus Olsen
Tune 1815: Husband Ramus Olsen
Tune 1816: father Ramus Olsen


Tune 1839 (July 21st): Father Rasmus Hansen (death of Carsten)
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Kċarto
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  17:40:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Please look at death #21 that of a 1 month old girl named Birthe Marie Rasmusdatter, a husmands daughter on Wister plads:

Source information: Ĝstfold county, Tune, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1822), Death and burial records 1816, page 192-193.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7496&idx_id=7496&uid=ny&idx_side=-100

Then check the births for the pre May months. There is no Birthe Marie Rasmusdatter recorded. There is, however, Marthe Marie Rasmusdatter the second daughter of Rasmus Olson and Anne Tolvsdatter. Very likely another clerical error.


I also believe it is an error, most likely same girl.
Alder I maaned- Age one month when she died.
Both were born on a sub farm under Wister/Vister farm (Wister plads and Wister Braaten), and this is weird;
Bentemyr was a subfarm under Vister

Kċre
Edited by - Kċarto on 27/07/2015 18:40:03
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  19:12:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have we eliminated this Rasmus Olsen at some point in the previous pages?

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7489&idx_id=7489&uid=ny&idx_side=-32

Third column from the left

And found by Jackie in the 1801 Census

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058203003614

Fathers last name may be wrong in the Census

Name: Rasmus Olesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 8 mar 1795
Baptism Place: Eidsberg, Ĝstfold, Norway
Father: Ole Rasmussen
Mother: Birthe Erichsdr
Edited by - AntonH on 27/07/2015 19:27:41
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csavard24
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  19:20:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rasmus Hansen dead in 1841 in Tune, age 50:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=200&uid=364447&urnread_imagesize=full&hode=nei&ls=1&lc=x%259CK%25B42%25B2%25AA.%25B62%25B4R%25CAT%25B2.%25B62%25B1R2750%25001%2581B%25C5J%25D6%2599VF%2506%2506%25D6%25B5%2500%25C8%25EC%2509%25E0
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csavard24
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  19:23:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by csavard24

Rasmus Hansen dead in 1841 in Tune, age 50:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=200&uid=364447&urnread_imagesize=full&hode=nei&ls=1&lc=x%259CK%25B42%25B2%25AA.%25B62%25B4R%25CAT%25B2.%25B62%25B1R2750%25001%2581B%25C5J%25D6%2599VF%2506%2506%25D6%25B5%2500%25C8%25EC%2509%25E0


Note: After, 1839, there are no more birth from Rasmus and Helene.
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  19:29:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When you post a link please use the "Permanent sidelenke:" line not the http line. That way you will not have these long lines that goof up the whole page.
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csavard24
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  19:50:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

When you post a link please use the "Permanent sidelenke:" line not the http line. That way you will not have these long lines that goof up the whole page.


Oups... sorry:

ttp://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7500&idx_id=7500&uid=ny&idx_side=-200
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csavard24
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  19:57:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by csavard24

[quote]Originally posted by lyndal40

When you post a link please use the "Permanent sidelenke:" line not the http line. That way you will not have these long lines that goof up the whole page.


Oups... sorry:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7500&idx_id=7500&uid=ny&idx_side=-200
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Kċarto
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  20:36:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by csavard24

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http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7500&idx_id=7500&uid=ny&idx_side=-200


Hmd (Husmand) Cottager/Leaseholder Rasmus Hansen age 50 died on Bentemyr.

Kċre
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Kċarto
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  21:14:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A curiosity.
Eric Enge-Ingebrigtsen Bentemyr mentioned twice in the probateregister after Anne Tolfsdatter, his wife Kari Larsdatter ca 75 died on Bentemyr Nov. 16. 1841.
They were very poor. "Begravet paa Fattigkassens Regning" The poor relief fund paid for the funeral, see #80

Kċre
Edited by - Kċarto on 27/07/2015 21:15:21
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  21:37:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rasmus Hansen b 1795 's father Hans Rasmussen died in 1809, funeral 12 Mar 1809, right hand page near top:
Source information: Ĝstfold county, Eidsberg, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1807-1814), Death and burial records 1809, page 205.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7490&idx_id=7490&uid=ny&idx_side=-64

Confirmation Andreas Hansen Holm brother to Rasmus Hansen, left page second entry:
Source information: Ĝstfold county, Eidsberg, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1807-1814), Confirmation records 1809-1810, page 122.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7490&idx_id=7490&uid=ny&idx_side=-44
Edited by - jkmarler on 27/07/2015 21:44:39
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csavard24
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Posted - 27/07/2015 :  23:31:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Rasmus Hansen b 1795 's father Hans Rasmussen died in 1809, funeral 12 Mar 1809, right hand page near top:
Source information: Ĝstfold county, Eidsberg, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1807-1814), Death and burial records 1809, page 205.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7490&idx_id=7490&uid=ny&idx_side=-64

Confirmation Andreas Hansen Holm brother to Rasmus Hansen, left page second entry:
Source information: Ĝstfold county, Eidsberg, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1807-1814), Confirmation records 1809-1810, page 122.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7490&idx_id=7490&uid=ny&idx_side=-44





If we consider that Rasmus Hansen and Rasmus Olsen are the same person, then normally we would see a point in time where the name changed, right?

In the records, we see:

1795, Rasmus Hansen (baptism)
1801, Rasmus Hansen (census)
1810, Rasmus Hansen (confirmation)
1814, Rasmus Olsen (father at birth)
1814, Rasmus Olsen (groom)
1816, Rasmus Olsen (father at birth)
1817, Rasmus Hansen (father at birth)
1818, Rasmus Hansen (father at birth)
1829, Rasmus Hansen (groom)
1834, Rasmus Hansen (father at birth)
1834, Rasmus Hansen (father at Hans confirmation)
1836, Rasmus Hansen (father at birth)
1839, Rasmus Hansen (father at birth)
1840, Rasmus Hansen (death ?)
1842, Rasmus Hansen (Father at wedding)

To me, it looks like we're mixing up 2 persons. If we wouldn't have any record Rasmus Hansen before 1814, then this theorie would make sense.
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