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csavard24
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 Posted - 26/07/2015 : 13:15:32
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Tolvsons and Tolvsdatters who belong to Anne Katrine's family:
Name Date of birth Place of birth Family position, marital status and occupationResidence
Ragnild Tolfsdatter 1768* Hans kone 1. ægteskab Thunøe: Ejet, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Marthe Tolfsdatter 1776* Hans kone 1. ægteskab Thunøe: Stickimellem, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Claus Tolfsen 1764* Mand 1. ægteskab Huusmand med jord og skoeleholder. Thunøe: Braatten, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1776* Hendes datter Ugivt Thunøe: Braatten, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Ane Tolfsdatter 1736* Hans kone 1. ægteskab Thunøe: Omberg Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Hans Tolfsen 1741* Huusbonde 2. ægteskab Gaardbr. Thunøe: Omberg Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Niels Tolfsen 1790* T. folk Thunøe: Høydahl Store Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Peder Tolfsen 1741* Huusb. 1. ægteskab Gaardbr. Thunøe: Valle 2 Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Gunder Tolfsen 1736* Mand Enkemand 1. gang Bøygdevægter Thunøe: Radet, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Inger Tolfsdatter 1781* T.folk Ugivt Thunøe: Stang Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Erich Tolfsen 1792* Hendes børn Thunøe: Biørnestad, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1795* Hendes børn Thunøe: Biørnestad, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Syver Tolfsen 1757* Huusbonde 1. ægteskab Gaardbr. Thunøe: Katteknøs Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Hans Tolfsen 1770* Mand 1. egt Huusm. med jord Thunøe: Baand Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Mette Tolfsdatter 1763* Hans kone 1. egt. Thunøe: Baand Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1795* would be a better candidate, no? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 16:09:45
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It does happen and besides what's the record the that gives his age? His death gives it as approximately 1790 (age 50 yrs in 1840). There is no record of his death in 1860.
You wanted to know about Anne Tolvsdatter. There were two in the 1801 census in Tune. Others could have moved to Tune between 1801 and 1814 but that is unknowable since those records weren't kept at the time. Both of the Anne Tolvsdatters in 1801 in Tune were born there. The younger one was a child of Tolv Madsen and Johanne Jacobsdatter and she died in 1823. The other was the child of Tolv Kystolson and Marie Halvorsdatter. They are both accounted for.
I know it sounds wacky but what I think happened was Rasmus Hansen Bøhlen moved to Tune from Eidsberg. He was a husman on Bentemyr. He found a partner on a neighboring farm Lunnestad, they had a child and married shortly after the birth. Then they had another child, and another and another. Each of these children died but one. There were no more children and the wife dies in 1827.
Of course this theory depends on Rasmus Olsen Bøhlen from Eidsberg being the same person as Rasmus Hansen Bøhlen that his patronymic was horribly misrepresented in the first three records in Tune (the birth of daughter #1, the marriage and the birth of daughter #2) for whatever reason and that no other Anne Tolvsdatter moved to Tune. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 19:52:20
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Here are all the Ann* Tol* residing in Østfold in the 1801 census, all birthyears. There are only 14. A study could be made of them all to see if there is any evidence they went to Tune, married and died there or married, then went to Tune and died there. Someone could expand the coverage in Tune by looking at all the marriages from 1801-1814 to see if there is a marriage for an Anne Tolvsdatter or a death for an Anne Tolvsdatter or any other record which has an unknown Anne Tolvsdatter.
Name Date of birth Place of birth Family position, marital status and occupation Residence Gender Source
Anne Tolfsdatter 1778* Tienestepige Berg: Nordbrønd Gd k Folketelling 1801 for 0116P Berg prestegjeld
Anne Tollevsdatter 1761* Deres søster Ugift Edsberg: Heen Nordre k Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Anne Tollevsdatter 1777* Hans kone Begge i 1ste ægteskab Rachestad: Houg k Folketelling 1801 for 0128P Rakkestad prestegjeld
Anne Tollevsdatter 1797* Deres børn Rachestad: Giøbye k Folketelling 1801 for 0128P Rakkestad prestegjeld
Anne Hellene Tollefsdatter 1763* Tienestefolk Ugivt Friderichstad k Folketelling 1801 for 0103P Fredrikstad prestegjeld
Anne Tollefsdatter 1776* Tieneste pige Ugift Idde: Folchesetter Øvre Gaard k Folketelling 1801 for 0117P Idd prestegjeld
Anne Tollevsdatter 1762* Tjenestepige Ugivt Rødenæs: Grimsbye k Folketelling 1801 for 0120P Rødenes prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1776* Hendes datter Ugivt Thunøe: Braatten, Plads k Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1795* Hendes børn Thunøe: Biørnestad, Plads k Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Anne Margrethe Tollefsdatter 1771* Hendes datter Ugift Haandarbejder Friderichshald: Kirke Bakken k Folketelling 1801 for 0101P Fredrikshald prestegjeld
Anne Tolvsdatter 1792* Deres børn Onsøe: Torbiørnrød k Folketelling 1801 for 0134P Onsøy prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1770* Hans kone Givt 1. gang Onsøe: Borge Nedre k Folketelling 1801 for 0134P Onsøy prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1765* Huusmoderens datter Ugivt Onsøe: Fielle, Lille k Folketelling 1801 for 0134P Onsøy prestegjeld
Anne Tolvsdatter 1788* Hans børn Ugivt Onsøe: Moseeghuus k Folketelling 1801 for 0134P Onsøy prestegjeld
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 21:03:34
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The only thing that is 100% sure is that Rasmus Hansen and Anne Tolfsdatter married before Sept. 28. 1817 when a son Hans (he died young) was bapt in Tune Church.
Parents; Cottager under Søndre Vister Rasmus Olsen Bentemyr and wife Anne Tolfsdatter
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 21:12:04
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Okay so find the marriage of Rasmus Hansen and Anne Tolfvsdatter. It's not in Tune, not in Edsberg, not in Rakkestad nor in Ønso.
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csavard24
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 21:15:22
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here are all the Ann* Tol* residing in Østfold in the 1801 census, all birthyears. There are only 14. A study could be made of them all to see if there is any evidence they went to Tune, married and died there or married, then went to Tune and died there. Someone could expand the coverage in Tune by looking at all the marriages from 1801-1814 to see if there is a marriage for an Anne Tolvsdatter or a death for an Anne Tolvsdatter or any other record which has an unknown Anne Tolvsdatter.
Name Date of birth Place of birth Family position, marital status and occupation Residence Gender Source
Anne Tolfsdatter 1778* Tienestepige Berg: Nordbrønd Gd k Folketelling 1801 for 0116P Berg prestegjeld
Anne Tollevsdatter 1761* Deres søster Ugift Edsberg: Heen Nordre k Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Anne Tollevsdatter 1777* Hans kone Begge i 1ste ægteskab Rachestad: Houg k Folketelling 1801 for 0128P Rakkestad prestegjeld
Anne Tollevsdatter 1797* Deres børn Rachestad: Giøbye k Folketelling 1801 for 0128P Rakkestad prestegjeld
Anne Hellene Tollefsdatter 1763* Tienestefolk Ugivt Friderichstad k Folketelling 1801 for 0103P Fredrikstad prestegjeld
Anne Tollefsdatter 1776* Tieneste pige Ugift Idde: Folchesetter Øvre Gaard k Folketelling 1801 for 0117P Idd prestegjeld
Anne Tollevsdatter 1762* Tjenestepige Ugivt Rødenæs: Grimsbye k Folketelling 1801 for 0120P Rødenes prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1776* Hendes datter Ugivt Thunøe: Braatten, Plads k Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1795* Hendes børn Thunøe: Biørnestad, Plads k Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Anne Margrethe Tollefsdatter 1771* Hendes datter Ugift Haandarbejder Friderichshald: Kirke Bakken k Folketelling 1801 for 0101P Fredrikshald prestegjeld
Anne Tolvsdatter 1792* Deres børn Onsøe: Torbiørnrød k Folketelling 1801 for 0134P Onsøy prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1770* Hans kone Givt 1. gang Onsøe: Borge Nedre k Folketelling 1801 for 0134P Onsøy prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1765* Huusmoderens datter Ugivt Onsøe: Fielle, Lille k Folketelling 1801 for 0134P Onsøy prestegjeld
Anne Tolvsdatter 1788* Hans børn Ugivt Onsøe: Moseeghuus k Folketelling 1801 for 0134P Onsøy prestegjeld
This is all very confusing:
So we could have:
#1 Rasmus Hansen (or Monsen) (20-4-1798 to 1860) born in Trømborg sup-parish in Eidsberg, living in Bentemyr (was 31 in his second marriage in 1829 to Helene Hansdatter, no death record)
- Father is Hans Rasmussen Jaren (Jahren) (according to record of his 2nd marriage)
- Married to Marie Anne Tolfsdatter ( 1798 in Bentemyr ? - 1826, no birth records, no death record) circa 1814 in Tune (but no records)
- They were living in Bentemyr when his wife died in 1826.
- In 1842, marriage of Han Rasmussen confirms his father's name: Rasmus Hansen
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#2 Rasmus Hansen (or Olsen) Bøhlen from Bentemy (no birth date) married to Anne Katrine Tolfsdatter (13-4-1775 to 29-3-1827 in Tune)
- There's a Rasmus Hansen Bøhlen confirmed in Edsberg in 1810 (age 17 1/2)
- First child: Hellene Rasmusdatter (illegitmate) - born 8 nov 1814 in Tune - died in 10 Dec 1814 in Bentemyr
- Second child : Marthe Maria Rasmusdatter - 20 mar 1816 in Tune
- So Rasmus marriage was after nov 1814 (because the first child was illegitmate).
There were 2 Hans Rasmussen born in Tune from parents Rasmus Hansen and Marie Anne Tolfsdatter:
#1 born in 18 sep 1817 (died same year)
#2 born in 12 Dec 1818
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csavard24
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 21:32:48
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Rasmus Hansen (or Monsen or Olsen) had 3 children with his second wife Helene:
Joahn Martin Rasmussen
Hjalmar Rasmusen
Sigrid Rasmussen
Their descendants live in Bentemyr, Greaker and Sarpsborg.
Maybe if we could find these birth records, we could find some more info on Rasmus? |
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csavard24
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 23:07:02
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This is all very confusing:
#2 Rasmus Hansen (or Olsen) Bøhlen from Bentemy (no birth date) married to Anne Katrine Tolfsdatter (13-4-1775 to 29-3-1827 in Tune)
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They had a daughter Marthe Maria b. March 20. bapt. March 24. 1816 in Tune.
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 23:49:18
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So Rasmus marriage was after nov 1814 (because the first child was illegitmate).
Actually he married in 1814 but still after his child was born
Anne Talfsdatter
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Anne Talfsdatter
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 18 des 1814 (18 Dec 1814)
Marriage Place: Tune, Østfold, Norway
Spouse: Rasmus Olsen Bohle
FHL Film Number: 126044
Reference ID: p395
Second column fro left at 18 Dec
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7495&idx_id=7495&uid=ny&idx_side=-193 |
Edited by - AntonH on 26/07/2015 23:55:48 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/07/2015 : 00:09:41
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Okay so find the marriage of Rasmus Hansen and Anne Tolfvsdatter. It's not in Tune, not in Edsberg, not in Rakkestad nor in Ønso.
It happened that some were not recorded, simply forgotten.
It could be the reason why the wedding record do not exist in the church books for Rasmus Hansen Bentemyr and Anne Tolfsdatter.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/07/2015 : 00:57:01
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So back to the same issue, knowing who she is is key, who is Anne Tolvsdatter?
The one identified in her death record in 1827 is Ane Katrine Tolvsdatter as the wife of husmand Rasmus Hansen aged "about 68" years is the one you want.
So far only one Ane Katrine Tolvsdatter has been found being born, Anne Cathrina Tolvsdatter bap 1775 in Tune. If the age at death is correct (which I doubt since biology figures much more in a woman's fertility with advancing years) that means she was born in 1759 (age 68 in 1827), in her late fifties when the 2 Hans' were born, extremely unlikely events for a woman of that age.
Anne Cathrine Tolvsdatter has a brother named Claus. She is living with him, his wife & child and his mother (and listed as her daughter) in 1801. Claus Tolvson was one of the bondsmen or witnesses to an Anne Tolvsdatter's wedding in 1814. Anne Tolvsdatter was faddernes (godmother) to a son of Claus's baptized in 1806. In not one of these records is she called Anne Marie or Marie Anne Tolvsdatter. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/07/2015 : 01:17:43
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Okay here are all the Rasmus's of any age or last name living in Tune in 1801:
Rasmus Andersen 1798* Deres børn Thunøe: Berge Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Rasmus Christianssen 1796* Hendes børn Thunøe: Ødegaard, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Rasmus Erichsen 1776* Deres børn Ugift Thunøe: Baand Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Rasmus Syversen 1799* Deres børn Thunøe: Dalen Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
There is no Rasmus Hansen / Monson/ Olson so one has to be imported to Tune. The only record which contains an age for Rasmus Hansen is the death record in 1840 in Tune which gives his age as 50 years, so meaning born about 1790.
The only marriage record in Tune between 1811-1820 for a Rasmus and an Anne Tolvsdatter is the one in 1814. The groom is identified as
"Rasmus Olson Bøhlen from Eidsberg". Again in this marriage record she is not identified as Anne Marie or Marie Anne Tolvsdatter but only as Anne Tolvsdatter. No age is given for either party in the marriage record.
Here are all the Rasmus' in Eidsberg in 1801:
Rasmus Syversen 1785* Hendes børn af første ægtesk Ugift Edsberg: Hage Østre Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Thorersen 1762* Huusbonde Begge i første ægteskab Huusmand med jord og skrædder Edsberg: Houg Østre Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Simonsen 1770* Manden Begge gifte 1ste gang Bruger meget af gaarden Edsberg: Høya Vestre Dragon Qvarter Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Willumsen 1788* Deres børn Edsberg: Høya Mellem Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Johnsen 1768* Huusbonde Begge i første ægteskab Bondebruger og eyer af halve gaarden Edsberg: Heen
Nordre Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Hansen 1759* Mand Begge i første ægteskab Huusmand med jord Edsberg: Lysager Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Christensen 1791* Huusbondens sted-sønner Edsberg: Skieppe Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Mathiesen 1779* Tienestedreng Edsberg: Tillesiør Nordre Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Andersen 1763* Mand Begge i første ægteskab Huusmand med jord Edsberg: Haugerud Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Aslachsen 1721* Mandens fader Enkemand Edsberg: Korterud Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Olsen 1761* Huusbonde Begge i første ægteskab Bonde, gaardbeboer og gaardbruger Edsberg: Torper Mellem Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Amundsen 1761* Huusbonde Begge i første ægteskab Bonde og bruger af 5 lispund i gaarden Edsberg: Aas Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Jensen 1779* Deres børn Ugift Edsberg: Braae Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Tharaldsen 1751* Huusbonde Begge i første ægteskab Bonde og gaardbruger som lottebruger Edsberg: Bredæg Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Thorsen 1761* Huusbonde I 1ste ægteskab Bruger denne gaard Edsberg: Holm Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Hansen 1797* Deres fælles børn Edsberg: Holm Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Olsen 1795* Deres børn Edsberg: Kursmose Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Syversen 1774* Mand I første ægteskab Huusmand med jord og er nat soldat Edsberg: Sørbye Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
There is one Rasmus Olsen, two Rasmus Hansen, and no Rasmus Monsen.
Here are all the Rasmus Hansens in 1801 living in Østfold:
Rasmus Christian Hansen* 1794* Deres børn Ugifte Skieberg: Hafslund Adelige Sæde Gaard Folketelling 1801 for 0115P Skjeberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Hansen* 1800* Deres søn Skieberg: Jahlie Øvre Folketelling 1801 for 0115P Skjeberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Hansen 1771* Tienestedreng Snedker Spydeberg: Husebye Østre Folketelling 1801 for 0123P Spydeberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Hansen 1759* Mand Begge i første ægteskab Huusmand med jord Edsberg: Lysager Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Hansen 1797* Deres fælles børn Edsberg: Holm Folketelling 1801 for 0125P Eidsberg prestegjeld
Rasmus Hansen 1785* Deres børn Ugivt Rachestad: Kirkeng Folketelling 1801 for 0128P Rakkestad prestegjeld
Rasmus Hansen 1728* Mand 1ste gifte Inderst Ahremarch: Kassebue 1 Gaard Folketelling 1801 for 0118P Aremark prestegjeld
Rasmus Hansen 1777* Deres svigersøn I første ægteskab Matros Friderichshald: Morian Gaden Folketelling 1801 for 0101P Fredrikshald prestegjeld
Rasmus Hansen 1776* Tienere Ugift Aschim: Halstedt Folketelling 1801 for 0124P Askim prestegjeld
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/07/2015 : 02:26:53
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Originally posted by Kåarto
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Okay so find the marriage of Rasmus Hansen and Anne Tolfvsdatter. It's not in Tune, not in Edsberg, not in Rakkestad nor in Ønso.
It happened that some were not recorded, simly forgotten.
It could be the reason why the wedding record do not exist in the church books for Rasmus Hansen Bentemyr and Anne Tolfsdatter.
Kåre
Sure that's possible. But then what happened to the Anne Tolvsdatter he was married to and what happened to Rasmus Olson? By the late 18teens the migration records kept in the parish are available and they are not there. Likewise there is no death recorded for either of them other than the great possibility Anne Tolvsdatter who married in 1814 is the same woman as who died in 1827 as Ane Katrin Tolvsdatter. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/07/2015 : 02:30:32
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There were two children born to Rasmus Olsen and Anne Tolfsdatter
Hellene Rasmusdatter born 8 Nov 1814
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Marthe Maria Rasmusdatter born 20 Mar 1816
There were two children born to Rasmus Hansen and Anne Tolfsdatter
Hans Rasmussen born 18 Sep 1817
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Hans Rasmussen born 12 Dec 1818
It is possible that Rasmus Olsen and Rasmus Hansen are the same person and there is only one Anne Tolfsdatter
But it is a stretch to think that he would be called Olsen in three records, marriage and two births and called Hansen in two births.
Although I did notice that Rasmus Olsen is referred to as Rasmus Olsen Westen something ? in the birth record for Martha Maria and that Rasmus Hansen has the attachment of Bentmyr under Visten in the birth record for the second Hans. They are probably the same place
Also one of the witnesses for one of the Hans was named Sven Svensen L???? and that one of the witnesses for Martha Maria was also named Sven L????? both look like the same person. And Anne Talfsdatter in the marriage record for her and Rasmus Olsen Bohle seems to carry the same farm name. It is hard for me read but it could be Lundestad.
From Oluf Rygh for Tune
Listen over gårder er hentet fra "Norske Gaardnavne".
v.1, p.296
68-71. Viste nordre, vestre, søndre og østre. Udt. vé2sste.
-- i Vistum RB. 303. i Wistum (lille) RB. 490. a Westom DN. XI
223, 1490 Wæstte NRJ. I 26. Viste St. 39 b. Wiste 1593. Viste
(4 Gaarde) JN. 111. Wistedt 1604.1/1, 1/1, 1/1, 1/1. Viste 1640. Wister
(4 Gaarde) 1667. 1723.
Vistir eller Vistar, f. Flt., se Eidsberg No. 185.
Now there could still be two Rasmus and they just lived at the same farm and thus were given the same farm name.
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