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jkmarler
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 Posted - 24/07/2015 : 05:51:54
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Baptism of Niels Clausen #18 left page, left column, Anne Tolfsdatter is faddernes;
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1797-1815), Birth and baptism records 1806, page 140-141.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7495&idx_id=7495&uid=ny&idx_side=-72
This Niels' death #18 males (left page):
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1822), Death and burial records 1816, page 192-193.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7496&idx_id=7496&uid=ny&idx_side=-100
Claus Tolfsen's death #28:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1822), Death and burial records 1821, page 238-239.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7496&idx_id=7496&uid=ny&idx_side=-122
Another rather troubling thing about Anne Tolfsdatter is her age at death about 68 years. This means a 60 year old woman was giving birth at the time Hans Rasmussen was born.
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csavard24
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/07/2015 : 18:20:12
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Not a word for word, but appears to be a paragraph from the Tune Historie a bygdebok in which Rasmus Hansen is discussed. A different patronymic name is noted for him of Monsen.
The second paragraph is about the terms of the contract Anders Hansen signed to be husman on a Greaker farm.
Some others on the forum will do better for a translation than me.
One thing in the first paragraph it alludes to an estate filing following Anne's death which if true would be a really interesting record to find.
It appears there are discrepancies in Rasmus' name, Anne's deathdate etc. as quoted from the bygdebok.
You are able to view the actual parish records in question (which is exactly what source the bygdebok author would have viewed ) and see for yourself if it is Monsen or Olson. I've been through all the deaths in Tune from 1815-1840 and found no Rasmus Olsen and no Rasmus Monsen. Likewise all the female deaths 1815-1829 in Tune and there are only two adult Anne Tolfsdatters noted. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 25/07/2015 06:47:27 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/07/2015 : 18:40:39
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Here's Anne Tollefsdatter's page 309 in the probate records of Tune:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune sorenskriveri, Skifteprotokoll 5 , 1824-1832, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Remarks: Gammelt register.
Permanent page-link: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/25715/312/
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/07/2015 : 18:43:14
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Originally posted by csavard24
Can some tell me what this text says?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i57p4kr93kkoa4/TuneRecordRasmusHansen.JPG?dl=0
Thank you...
Rasmus Monsen Bentemyr (in the church books Hansen) his wife Anne Tollefsdatter and a son Hans age 11? lived on Bentemyr in 1826 when Anne died. They lived in a "gammel brøstferdig hytte" "old rickety cabin"
There were nothing to record in the probate after Anne.
Kåre
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csavard24
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Posted - 24/07/2015 : 19:16:41
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here's Anne Tollefsdatter's page 309 in the probate records of Tune:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune sorenskriveri, Skifteprotokoll 5 , 1824-1832, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Remarks: Gammelt register.
Permanent page-link: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/25715/312/
Wow... you have good eyes... Can you tell me what number? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/07/2015 : 01:42:53
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| Not sure what you're meaning. It starts at the bottom of the left column on the right hand page |
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csavard24
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Posted - 25/07/2015 : 15:01:06
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Not sure what you're meaning. It starts at the bottom of the left column on the right hand page
If Anne died in 1826, would it be normal to have probate records in 1829 ? |
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csavard24
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Posted - 25/07/2015 : 15:06:00
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Originally posted by csavard24
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Not sure what you're meaning. It starts at the bottom of the left column on the right hand page
If Anne died in 1826, would it be normal to have probate records in 1829 ?
Ho, it was written when Rasmus remarried with Helene Hansdatter... So that makes sense.
Thanks a lot! :-) |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/07/2015 : 21:36:32
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If Anne died in 1826, would it be normal to have probate records in 1829 ?
Ho, it was written when Rasmus remarried with Helene Hansdatter... So that makes sense.
Thanks a lot! :-)
A short summary, several words are hard to decipher
Aar 1829 den 16de December
Leader of the probate court was (Lensmand) Sheriff Thore Halvorsen Vister and Eric Engebretsen Bentemyr for widower Rasmus Monsen (Hansen) Bentemyr on farm Vister in Tune parish after the death of wife Anne Tolfsdatter.
ON TOP LAST CHAPTER;
Guardian for Rasmus and the son Hans Rasmussen age 11 was Hans Christensen Vister.
At the end of the probate, signatures.
The widower and his sons "formynder" guardian Hans Christensen Vister.
(Sheriff) Thor (Halvorsen) Vister and Eric Engebretsen
Guardian for children under age in a probate was normal, and perhaps Rasmus could not read or write.
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csavard24
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Posted - 25/07/2015 : 23:23:43
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Originally posted by Kåarto
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If Anne died in 1826, would it be normal to have probate records in 1829 ?
Ho, it was written when Rasmus remarried with Helene Hansdatter... So that makes sense.
Thanks a lot! :-)
A short summary, several words are hard to decipher
Aar 1829 den 16de December
Leader of the probate court was (Lensmand) Sheriff Thore Halvorsen Vister and Eric Engebretsen Bentemyr for widower Rasmus Monsen (Hansen) Bentemyr on farm Vister in Tune parish after the death of wife Anne Tolfsdatter.
ON TOP LAST CHAPTER;
Guardian for Rasmus and the son Hans Rasmussen age 11 was Hans Christensen Vister.
At the end of the probate, signatures.
The widower and his sons "formynder" guardian Hans Christensen Vister.
(Sheriff) Thor (Halvorsen) Vister and Eric Engebretsen
Guardian for children under age in a probate was normal, and perhaps Rasmus could not read or write.
Kåre
Wow! Thanks a lot! :-) |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 05:27:37
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Rasmus Hansen's wife was called Anne Katrine when sehe died. Here is the baptism #29 on 13 Apr 1775 of an Anne Cathrina Tolvsdatter:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1775, page 211-212.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-1106
Her parents were Tolv Kystolsen and Maria Halvorsdatter. They were engaged on 11 Sept 1766 and married 6 Jan 1767. His title at the time of their engagement was Landsm____ Dragon Bondsmen at the engagement were Thorer Wister and Jens Thunøe.
Brother Claus Tolvsons baptism #78:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1767, page 44-45.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-26A
A brother Hans' baptism #48:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1769, page 54-55.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-31
A brother Halvor's baptism #9:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1771, page 177-178.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-94
A sister Marthe's baptism #9:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1773, page 191-192.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-101
A brother Kystol #29:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1778, page 235-236.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-122
Brother Kystol's death #2:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Death and burial records 1781, page 273-274.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-141
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 07:31:15
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Tolvsons and Tolvsdatters who belong to Anne Katrine's family:
Name Date of birth Place of birth Family position, marital status and occupationResidence
Ragnild Tolfsdatter 1768* Hans kone 1. ægteskab Thunøe: Ejet, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Marthe Tolfsdatter 1776* Hans kone 1. ægteskab Thunøe: Stickimellem, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Claus Tolfsen 1764* Mand 1. ægteskab Huusmand med jord og skoeleholder. Thunøe: Braatten, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1776* Hendes datter Ugivt Thunøe: Braatten, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Ane Tolfsdatter 1736* Hans kone 1. ægteskab Thunøe: Omberg Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Hans Tolfsen 1741* Huusbonde 2. ægteskab Gaardbr. Thunøe: Omberg Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Niels Tolfsen 1790* T. folk Thunøe: Høydahl Store Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Peder Tolfsen 1741* Huusb. 1. ægteskab Gaardbr. Thunøe: Valle 2 Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Gunder Tolfsen 1736* Mand Enkemand 1. gang Bøygdevægter Thunøe: Radet, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Inger Tolfsdatter 1781* T.folk Ugivt Thunøe: Stang Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Erich Tolfsen 1792* Hendes børn Thunøe: Biørnestad, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Anne Tolfsdatter 1795* Hendes børn Thunøe: Biørnestad, Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Syver Tolfsen 1757* Huusbonde 1. ægteskab Gaardbr. Thunøe: Katteknøs Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Hans Tolfsen 1770* Mand 1. egt Huusm. med jord Thunøe: Baand Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
Mette Tolfsdatter 1763* Hans kone 1. egt. Thunøe: Baand Plads Folketelling 1801 for 0130P Tune prestegjeld
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 11:25:03
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Correct name of farm Greaker was Greaker Østre (Eastern Greaker) which means there were several Greaker farms in 1875
Only your ancestor Robert A. and Thorvald are missing.
Not sure why August Samuelsen and Johan R. Andersen is recorded between Hans Rasmusen and his wife.
Not sure who the persons recorded after Julius age 8 are.
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csavard24
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Posted - 26/07/2015 : 13:12:36
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Rasmus Hansen's wife was called Anne Katrine when sehe died. Here is the baptism #29 on 13 Apr 1775 of an Anne Cathrina Tolvsdatter:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1775, page 211-212.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-1106
Her parents were Tolv Kystolsen and Maria Halvorsdatter. They were engaged on 11 Sept 1766 and married 6 Jan 1767. His title at the time of their engagement was Landsm____ Dragon Bondsmen at the engagement were Thorer Wister and Jens Thunøe.
Brother Claus Tolvsons baptism #78:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1767, page 44-45.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-26A
A brother Hans' baptism #48:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1769, page 54-55.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-31
A brother Halvor's baptism #9:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1771, page 177-178.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-94
A sister Marthe's baptism #9:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1773, page 191-192.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-101
A brother Kystol #29:
Source information: Østfold county, Tune, Parish register (official) nr. 2 (1758-1781), Birth and baptism records 1778, page 235-236.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7493&idx_id=7493&uid=ny&idx_side=-122
But if Rasmus was born circa 1795, then her wife shouldn't be born on 1775, right? |
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