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Kåarto
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 Posted - 06/08/2015 : 10:15:20
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Not from one of the farms mentioned here.
Marriage 1845; Velstad and Ekeneie (my ancestors lived on Ekeneie ca 50 years later)
Birth 1848; Bye bakkene
Bapt. 1851; Byeløkkene
Bapt. Olaus 1855; Byebakkene
Em. 1855; Bye løkkene
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/08/2015 : 14:13:02
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The localname on Bylløkka was Løkka (Paddoc).
Løkka was in 1847 sold from Ole Jensen for 500 RiksDaler to Benjamin Olsen Waal.
The Norwegian Waal is pronunced Wall.
Source; Sigdal & Eggedal bygdebok page 179
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 06/08/2015 : 16:16:49
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/08/2015 : 19:04:27
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In the 1801 census, here are the farms named Waal:
Waal Kråkstad Ski Kråkstad Akershus Folketelling 1801 for 0212P Kråkstad prestegjeld
Waal Åmot Stor-Elvdal Åmot Hedmark Folketelling 1801 for 0429P Åmot prestegjeld
Waal Nordre Svarstad Hem Styrvoll Lardal Vestfold Folketelling 1801 for 0728P Lardal prestegjeld
Waal Stokke Skjee Arnadal Stokke Vestfold Folketelling 1801 for 0720P Stokke prestegjeld
Waal Væstre Stokke Skjee Arnadal Stokke Vestfold Folketelling 1801 for 0720P Stokke prestegjeld
Waal Mellem Stokke Skjee Arnadal Stokke Vestfold Folketelling 1801 for 0720P Stokke
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/08/2015 : 19:25:04
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I have a good candidate from Hvaal/Hvål in Sandsvær
Benjamin was 28 when he married 1845, born ca 1817.
Benjamin Olsen born on Hvaals eie, a sub farm under Hvaal on Mai 3. 1817. Hvaal is pronunced Waal.
The father is rec. as Ole Monsen (Mogensen) rec. as Ole Olsen when he married in Sigdal -45, see 5. bapt. from top link
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JaneC
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/08/2015 : 21:04:54
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| Benjamin was listed as enkemand when he married in 1845 so there should be another marriage for him. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/08/2015 : 21:16:45
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Its him, born on Waal in Sandsvær, actually born on a sub farm under Waal named Firingplassen.
He moved to Tønsberg town in Vestfold age 18 in 1835, then to Blåfargeverket in Åmot 1838.
Åmot is next to Sigdal.
Sandsvær merged with Kongsberg 1964.
From the wedding record in Sigdal June 27.1845, hard to read but it looks like both were from Kongsberg and Benjamin was a widower. #17
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AntonH
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/08/2015 : 22:55:20
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March 27. 1843, widower Benjamin Olsen leaving Modum and moved to Kongsberg, right page #1
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JaneC
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Posted - 06/08/2015 : 23:20:23
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You wrote, "I'm trying to figure out why Olaus named changed to Wall. Any help would be appreciated. In the 1870 census he was in Dodgeville WI as Olavus Olson. His marriage was recorded as Olaus B. Wall. His death recorded as Olaus B. Wall."
The hard part is finding the correct farm from which Olaus B Wall took his surname. Now the researchers have done that.
Is it otherwise clear why the last name in US records changes? If so no need to read the following.
In Norway Olaus would have a patronymic "Benjamin's son" (Benjaminsen). A farm address is attached as a further identifier, but it was temporary; it changed when the person moved. When newly in the USA many Norwegian immigrants used their patronymic. After all, the patronymic is a lifelong name. But I'm not so sure the farm name is dropped from personal memory; seemingly it has a kind of nickname status It's common that the farm name reappears in US records after some years have passed. Not sure why but perhaps the farm name became preferred for being distinctive. Seems to me that "changed his name" (a phrase most of us have uttered) is a bit of a misnomer, as the patronymic and a farm address "name" both applied in Norway and likely remained part of personal identity in the US. Rather the emphasis shifts to express one rather than the other. Often times a middle initial signifies the immigrant still considers the patronymic to be his name (e.g. Olaus B(enjaminsen) Wall. See, both names live on, neither is dropped. Why Olsen, then? Because he emigrated as a child, with parents. In such cases immigrant families usually applied the father's patronymic to everyone. Otherwise father, mother, children would all have a different "last name" - which is not done in America, obviously. So he is Olaus Benjaminsen (briefly Olsen when first in US) (finally Wall in the US). All this is the usual explanation one hears and you can read more about it. Hope that helps. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/08/2015 : 23:22:10
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I believe Benjamin moved to Kongsberg because his brother Olaus b. 1815 settled down there in 1831.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/08/2015 : 23:34:15
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Benjamin Olsen Waal-eiet came to Kongsberg from Modum 1843, see right page #10
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Where the Wall in Olaus B Wall come from
