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AntonH
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 Posted - 13/08/2015 : 23:06:48
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Likely the baptism of Knud Andreas. Note the mother is the same as in the 1865 Norwegian Census posted above.
Knud Andreas Knudsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Knud Andreas Knudsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 jul 1827
Baptism Date: 8 jul 1827
Baptism Place: , Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Knud Knudsen
Mother: Ane Marie Christophersdr
FHL Film Number: 127363
Original record See number 67 in this link.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9885&idx_id=9885&uid=ny&idx_side=-25
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 23:17:35
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Knud and Ane Marie were married in 1816.
Knud Knudsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Knud Knudsen
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Birth Date: 1793
Marriage Date: 6 jun 1816
Marriage Place: , Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Spouse: Ane Marie Christophersdr
FHL Film Number: 127363
Original record See number 8 in this link
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9883&idx_id=9883&uid=ny&idx_side=-139 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/08/2015 23:20:14 |
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JaneC
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/08/2015 : 03:54:47
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I do have a question however,
I have listed in my records that Teodor Alfred Knudsen Torp was married to Maren Regina Gulbrandsdatter.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60092&h=5897035&ssrc=pt&tid=53056225&pid=13450879304&usePUB=true
I must have gotten the wrong record. Am I right?
Correction, not married to (in fact his wife was UIlla Vilhelmina Ringstrom from Skein as you stated), but his mother was Maren Regina. Is this wrong? Or could his father have remarried? Or maybe a different Teodor Knudsen baptized days after the correct Teodor was born? The plot thickens. This is so interesting to me. Thank you all for helping me!!!
Might be worth exploring where you went wrong here. You had a lot of right information on Teodor and his family including the fact that they were from Lista and Farsund, Norway. Both of these are found at one in the County (Fylke in Norwegian) of Vest-Agder. The record you posted is from the County of Buskerud. If you look at the articles from Wikipedia you can see they are from different parts of Norway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vest-Agder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buskerud
Here is the record your link lead to.
Name: Theodor Knudsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 jul 1873
Baptism Date: jul 1873
Baptism Place: Buskerud, Norway
Father's Age: 49y
Mother's Age: 27y
Father: Karl Knudsen
Mother: Maren Regine Gulbrandsdatter
Note the Baptism Place lists Buskerud, Norway.
Here is the record I posted on page one.
Name: Teodor Alfred Knudsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 mai 1873 (27 May 1873)
Baptism Date: 22 jun 1873
Baptism Place: Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Knud Andreas Knudsen
Mother: Anne Katrine Nielsdr
Note the Baptism Place lists Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Had you put Vest-Agder in the Location Search Box on Ancestry.com you would likely have found the right person.
However you had another issue that is not truly yours. You posted a link to an Ancestry.com record. Unfortunately only subsribers to Ancetry can access those records.
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jwiborg
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michaelrodriguez
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Posted - 14/08/2015 : 17:58:56
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Thank you all! I have traced the family history back quite far now and with accuracy thanks to you.
I have a question. To trace the family history back further than 1800, what is a good source. It looks like the Torp farm was used by the same family for a long time. I would assume that church records might be a good source. Any suggestions on where to go next?
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JaneC
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Posted - 14/08/2015 : 18:26:59
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Hi Michael, Yes that's right - priests recorded in the churchbooks:
birth
vaccination
confirmation
marriage
moving out of parish (a little spotty)
moving into parish (ditto)
serving as godparent (faddernes) and/or witness at event
death
Digital Archives portal (I think you already have):
http://www.arkivverket.no/eng/Digitalarkivet
Same link leads to census, military, land, probate records and more.
Bygedebok - local histories - are rich in detail about individuals and families, available from certain libraries, such as the one in Madison, Wisconsin.
Various regions or fylkes have US organizations of descendant families, some of whom own a copy of their local history book and do look ups.
If you'd like help searching, some of the veterans here can help.
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/08/2015 : 21:25:19
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You can make some progress using a combination of the information that is provided in the Lista Bygdebok scan from Jan Peter on page one. For example it shows the wife of Kund Knudsen to be Anne Marie Kristoffersdatter Hauge. Hauge is the farm where she was born or at least once lived. It shows that she was born in 1795. So you can use your Ancestry.com site to search for Ann* born 1795 plus minus 2 in Vest-Agder.put Lista in the key word box , hit search and up pops a list.. Look for one in Lista and you see.
Anna Maria Kristoffersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Anna Maria Kristoffersen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 21 feb 1795
Baptism Date: 22 feb 1795
Baptism Place: , Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Christopher Ostrehoue
FHL Film Number: 127360
She is the only Anne Marie so chances are good that she is the one
Now you want to find the orginal record in Digitalarkvet. Go to Vest-Agder and down to Vanse since Lista data is found there. Use Vanse i Vanse 1795-1823 and look for 1795. Now the data are all jumbled together and you need to use the Døbte column. Since the Ancestry.com data gives you an exact date scroll down to Feb and look for Anne Marie. Her baptism date from Ancetry was Feb 22, 1795. You can see her third down and number 8.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9882&idx_id=9882&uid=ny&idx_side=-5 |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/08/2015 02:12:44 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/08/2015 : 21:53:28
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This is likely the family in the 1801 Norwegian Census. She is number 26 and in this record her father is listed as Christopher Ariansen living on the place called Houe Østre. Note in the Digitalarkivet record above he is listed as Christopher Østre Houe. So you are likely to have the right family.
So now you know the father Christopher Ariansen and the mother Ane Malene Berntsdatter and their apporximate biirth years.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058344000969 |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/08/2015 17:25:10 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/08/2015 : 17:48:27
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Looking at another member of your ancestral line. You know from the original marriage record for Knut Andreas Knudsen and Anne Katrine NIlsdatter that her father was named Nils Andreas Nilssen or Nielsen (same name). and that she was born in 1833. So from Ancestry.com you can find.
Anne Katarine Nilsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Anne Katarine Nilsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 des 1833 (17 Dec 1833)
Baptism Date: 25 des 1833 (25 Dec 1833)
Baptism Place: , Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Niels Andreas Nielsen
Mother: Severine Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 127363
Now you also know her mothers name.
You can now find the original record in Digitalarkivet. See number 14.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9885&idx_id=9885&uid=ny&idx_side=-135
Note the Hananger name attached to the parents. Yes it is a little hard to read.
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/08/2015 : 18:00:33
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Looks like Niels Andreas Nielsen and Severine Hansdatter were married in the same year as the birth of their daoughter Anne Katarine.
Christine Severine Hansdr
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Christine Severine Hansdr
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Birth Date: 1804
Marriage Date: 10 jan 1833
Marriage Place: , Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Hans
Spouse: Niels Andreas Nielsen
FHL Film Number: 127363
The origianal record tells you that the Hananger farm was attached to Sevrine's family and that Niels Andreas was from a farm called Aasen (sp?), Also the ages of the groom 35 and bride 29 (?) are given. Unfortnately only the first names of the fathers are given. Making it a little toughter to find them.
See number 10.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9885&idx_id=9885&uid=ny&idx_side=-249 |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/08/2015 18:08:42 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/08/2015 : 18:44:00
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A probable baptism record for Niels Andreas Nielsen is this one.
Niels Andreas Nilsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Niels Andreas Nilsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 nov 1801
Baptism Date: 15 nov 1801
Baptism Place: , Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Niels Knudsen
Mother: Ane Cathrine Velhelmsdr
FHL Film Number: 127360
Here is the origianal record, note the farm name Aasen after Ane Catherine Vehelmsdatters name. See the last entry on the page far right hand side.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9882&idx_id=9882&uid=ny&idx_side=-101
This is likely the family on the Aasen farm in the 1801 Norwegian Census before your ancestor Niels Andreas wa born. Note the slightly different spelling of the mothers last name. Same name spelled diffferently, very common in searching your Norwegian ancestors.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058344001064
Note the mother of Niels Knudsen, Ane Nielsdatter is also listed, she was born about 1723.
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/08/2015 : 18:58:43
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Earlier we had the Ane Marie Christoffersdatter born 1795. This is likely the marriage of her parents. Spelling of the names differs slightly for both.
Christopher Adriansen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Christopher Adriansen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 12 jun 1788
Marriage Place: , Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Spouse: Anna Malena Bernt Mathiasdr
FHL Film Number: 127360
The original record for the trolovede ie betrothal , engagement. took place in the parish on April 18, 1788 and they were married on June 12, 1788. See the Column about third over for Trolovde og copulerede for 18 April.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9881&idx_id=9881&uid=ny&idx_side=-266 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/08/2015 : 01:01:17
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In order to trace your ancestors back in time it is necessary to use a Bygdebok. I recently looked at the Bygdebok first mentioned to you in this post by Jan Peter. That is Listaboka Volume II, Gard og folk. One of the farms mentioned in the posts above is the Hauge Farm. Here is a family tree from the oldest Hauge ancestor born abt 1610 down to your Gunnar.
Hauge Farm
Kristoffer Hauge born abt. 1610
son Børu Kristoffersen born abt. 1662
married Malene Salvesdatter
daughter Anna Børusdatter born abt 1697
married Ole Tollisen Biland
son Bernt Matias Olsen born 1737
Anne Marie Berntsdatter Hauge
daughter Anne Malene Berntsdatter born 1767
Kristoffer Ariansen Torp
daughter Anne Marie Kristoffersdatter born 1795
Knud Knudsen Lyngdal
Son Knut Andreas Knudsen born 1827
Anne Katrine Nilsdatter Hananger
Son Teodor Knutsen Torp born 1873
Ulla Vilhelmina Ringstrom
Son Gunnar born 1919
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/08/2015 : 03:06:48
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Looking at the ancestors of Teodors mother,Anne Katrine Nilsdatter we can not go back as far in time as above. She is connected to the Aasen farm a sub-farm under Hananger.
Aasem Farm
Anders Knudsen Brastad born abt 1680
married Mette Larsdatter Suggenes
son Knud Andersen born abt 1708
married Anne Knudsdatter Slevdal
son Nils Knudsen born abt 1762
married Anne Katrien Villumsdatter Hauge
son Nils Andreas Nilsen born 1801
married Kristiane Severine Hansdatter Hananger
daughter Anne Katrien Nilsdatter born 1833
married Knut Andreas Knudsen
son Teodor Knutsen Torp born 1873
married Ulla Vilhelmina Ringstrom
son Gunnar born 1919
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