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bbecktynset
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 Posted - 12/08/2015 : 04:22:46
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206946723724922&set=a.4673357310255.2191156.1183329530&type=1&theater
Can you tell me whether Esten Oleson Nygard ever lived here. On a photo from the Estenson Centemnnial in Minnesota 1871-1971 it says that Ole Estenson Nygard was born here, but then it says it was taken in Tynset. But several sources say this photo is from Bardu while the photo says it was taken in Fadalen. Ole was born between 1820 and 1825, and came to America in 1857. It does look like Kari Olsdotter moved to Troms with her husband whose last name was Jorgenson. She was a daughter of Ole Estenson, and was the sister of Esten Oleson Nygard. |
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bbecktynset
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 04:33:55
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| And Esten Oleson Nygard was born in 1800 and died in 1872 presumably in Tynset area, but this photo causes confusion. |
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eibache
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 10:03:30
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Ole Estensen was born on Faadalen farm in Tynset Oct 28 1824, see #5.
He was confirmated Nov 10 1839, see #16. here it states that the family was living at søndre Faadalen.
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Edited by - eibache on 12/08/2015 19:32:43 |
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eibache
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 10:14:37
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Esten Olsen, Nygaarden died Nov 1872, he was then "Føderaadsmand" and 72 years old, see #39.
His baptismal record is most likely #104, the parents Ole Estensen and Marith Ellingsdatter living at Brændbakken.
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eibache
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 10:22:43
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Ole Estensen and Marit Ellingsdatter, their 2 sons in 1801.
(Marit Ellingsdatters parents is also living at the farm).
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 15:00:09
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Originally posted by bbecktynset
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206946723724922&set=a.4673357310255.2191156.1183329530&type=1&theater
Can you tell me whether Esten Oleson Nygard ever lived here. On a photo from the Estenson Centemnnial in Minnesota 1871-1971 it says that Ole Estenson Nygard was born here, but then it says it was taken in Tynset. But several sources say this photo is from Bardu while the photo says it was taken in Fadalen. Ole was born between 1820 and 1825, and came to America in 1857. It does look like Kari Olsdotter moved to Troms with her husband whose last name was Jorgenson. She was a daughter of Ole Estenson, and was the sister of Esten Oleson Nygard.
Two different farms.
Wiegen gard means;
Wick/Bay farm near Bardu
Nygard means;
New farm located to Tynset
Nygard-Nygaarden-Nygård is a very common name on farms in Norway.
Farms in Tynset in alphabetically order.
Fadalen-Fådalen is on page 43-84 and Nygaard- Nygård (gård) on page 127-168 link
Good luck
Kåre
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bbecktynset
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 21:26:03
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| I guess the last question is does anyone know who lived here. There may be no connection to the Estensons, and that brings up how it got in there unless Ole Martin Jevning who was my mother's uncle lived there . This is a good mystery. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 22:22:24
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Originally posted by bbecktynset
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206946723724922&set=a.4673357310255.2191156.1183329530&type=1&theater
Can you tell me whether Esten Oleson Nygard ever lived here. On a photo from the Estenson Centemnnial in Minnesota 1871-1971 it says that Ole Estenson Nygard was born here, but then it says it was taken in Tynset. But several sources say this photo is from Bardu while the photo says it was taken in Fadalen. Ole was born between 1820 and 1825, and came to America in 1857. It does look like Kari Olsdotter moved to Troms with her husband whose last name was Jorgenson. She was a daughter of Ole Estenson, and was the sister of Esten Oleson Nygard.
Hi bbecktynset, I'm a little confused. When I click on the photo link, I see only one label for the farm - Wiegen gaard near Bardu. Have you seen the same exaxt photo elaewhere with a different label? If so, one approach would be to track down each photo owner and check the provenance. What is the history of ownership of each copy of the photo, and what person or source has labeled it? In that case you can weigh the credibility of the provenance. It will be impossible to say who lived on the farm in the photo without knowing what farm it is...It's easy to imagine the certainty of each photo owner could vary. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 22:47:48
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Ole Martin Jevning (Jevningen) was born on Jevningen in Bardu April 12., bapt. June 29. 1845 link and married Ingeborg Olsdatter (Estensen) from Tynset
Ole Martin Jevnings bapt. record, he is 3. from top #3
Ingeborg (Olsdatter) Estensen bapt.record from Oct. 18. 1852, right page #26
She was born on farm Faadalen (Fådalen) in Tynset.
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bbecktynset
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 23:10:55
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| The only place I saw the photo was in booklet titled the Estenson Centennial from 1871 to 1971. The photo had a caption on the back saying this is where Ole Estenson Nygard was born. But the birthplace is listed as Fadalen, and people in that area who I correspond with on Face book say it is from the Bardu area. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/08/2015 : 23:35:12
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The only truth in genealogy is the written documented Sources, as in this case;
The church books
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JaneC
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 05:47:15
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Originally posted by eibache
Ole Estensen was born on Faadalen farm in Tynset Oct 28 1824, see #5.
He was confirmated Nov 10 1839, see #16. here it states that the family was living at søndre Faadalen.
As Kåre says, a genealogist has only the records. The birthplace of a person in Norway is the place stated in the churchbook record.
And Ole Estensen was born 28 October 1824 at Faadalen in Tynset. The booklet is correct. Apparently the 1824 Ole later used the name Ole Estensen Nygard. Nygard was a farm name his father had used.
http://www.dxhansen.com/project2010/p10.htm#i1715
So if someone says, this is a photo of Faadalen farm in Tynset, and if he or she is correct, then that is Ole's birthplace. (Though the buildings of Ole's day may or may not be the same in the photo).
As an aside, the link above says Ole was born at Nygaard, but it's a mistake. That's one reason I stress the correct birthplace eibache found.
So one could ask those persons who claim to identify the photo, why do you think it's Wiegen gaard, or why do you think it's Faadalen gaard? Though the booklet is correct about the birthplace Faadalen, we can't assess whether the booklet creator made a mistake about the photo. If we knew where or how the booklet creator came up with that idea, we could better guesstimate the credibility (but any opinion would still be a guess).
So far the Bardu people have nothing posted in this thread to show they are accurate. They aren't here and seem not to have shared their rationale elsewhere, as to why they think it's Bardu. This doesn't mean they are wrong; but certainly you need more than their own personal say-so before accepting their assertion. So far the booklet creator has one fact listed in this thread (Ole's birthplace) and it is accurate.
Remember, when someone states a genealogy fact, he or she needs to state his source, documentation, and/or rationale.
Another idea is find Faadalen or any farm on a map. Try FINN kart. Choose flyfoto view (satellite view). It might be possible to compare the satellite view of the farm with the photo of the farm.
You'll notice your respondents seem to be answering two questions:
1. What farm is shown in this photo?
2. Where was Ole Estensen Nygard (b 1824) born?
Asking the forum both questions was definitely worth a shot, but as it turns out, the forum has few resources to answer #1. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 17:56:24
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See Einars postings above.
It was Ole Estensens (b. 1824) father Esten Olsen that was from farm Nygaard. He died 1872 on Nygaard as "Føderaadsmann" former owner of the farm with a legal right on free supplies on Nygaard as long as he lived.
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bbecktynset
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Posted - 14/08/2015 : 23:58:43
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Actually people in Norway say that they can confirm the photo is of the Bardu Wiegengaard. The caption on the photo was what caused this mystery because it stated this was at Ole's birthplace in Fadalen Tynset area, but they know the photo is not in the Tynset area, and whoever wrote the caption on the photo was wrong. I'm guessing there is no connection of my direct family to this photo, but a relative may have lived there because people did move from Tynset to Bardu such as my mom's uncle Ole Martin Jevning.
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JaneC
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Posted - 15/08/2015 : 04:56:42
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When you state "people in Norway can confirm," that's a bit vague and cloudy, as some people will "confirm" things they are mistaken about. The rationale (why do they think that? how do they know?) is still missing.
I'll go ahead and interpret your statement to mean someone you know has been on or near that farm to see it, and he or she recognizes it in the photo, as Wiegengaard. If so, that settles it. It is a photo of Wiegengaard, not a photo of Ole Estensen (Nygard) birthplace Faadalen.
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JaneC
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Posted - 15/08/2015 : 05:19:31
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Maybe researching Ole Martin Johansen Jevningen would find him on Wiegengaard....So far, in the records below, he isn't.
Ole Martin Johansen Jevningen birth in Bardu churchbook
Source: Troms fylke, Bardu i Målselv, Ministerialbok nr. 2 (1832-1850), Fødte og døpte 1845, side 22-23.
12 April 1845 in Bardu
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Ole Martin in the 1865 Norway census, on Jevningen in Bardo (local parish) Maalselven (parish):
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Here is a list of farms in the same census district in 1865:
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Ole Martin Johansen Jevning memorial on Find-a-Grave, with a photo and an interesting biography included:
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GENI family tree:
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Edited by - JaneC on 15/08/2015 13:22:48 |
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