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michaelrodriguez
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 Posted - 13/08/2015 : 18:04:15
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Hi,
I am looking for possible relatives and info on where my grandfather might have been born.
He was Gunnar Knudsen Torp from Lista, Farsund Norway. This is in the Vanse region.
I also wanted to try to find where the torp farm used to be in that area.
His father was Teodor Knudsen Torp.
Thanks for the help,
-Mike
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Edited by - michaelrodriguez on 13/08/2015 18:26:43 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2015 : 18:28:41
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Here is your Theodor Knudsen Torp on the Torp farm in Farsund in census-1910. Theodor is born 27 May 1873 and he is living with his older sister Kristine Amalie. Theodor later married a woman named Ulla, from Skien, Telemark.
Children of Theodor & Ulla:
1. Katrine, b. 1912 -> USA.
2. Ester Marie, (14.05.1914 - 28.04.1998). Married to painter Werner Otto Lichtenberg (1903-1987). -> To Rekefjord, Sokndal, Rogaland.
3. Knut, b. 1915 -> USA
4. Phyllis, b. 1917 -> USA
5. Gunnar, b. 1919 -> USA
6. Adolf, b. 1921 -> USA
7. Elisabeth, -> USA
Theodor died in New York in 1946, after living there for many years.
The Torp farm was sold in 1949 to Sigurd Solberg.
Source: "Gard og folk", Farm history book for Farsund, published 1981. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 13/08/2015 20:47:13 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2015 : 18:33:34
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Baptism record for Theodor from Ancestry.com
Teodor Alfred Knudsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Teodor Alfred Knudsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 mai 1873 (27 May 1873)
Baptism Date: 22 jun 1873
Baptism Place: Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Knud Andreas Knudsen
Mother: Anne Katrine Nielsdr
FHL Film Number: 31127
Reference ID: 2:P6PL39
See also number 69 on this link
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=961&idx_id=961&uid=ny&idx_side=-115 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/08/2015 18:40:15 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2015 : 18:34:17
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The Torp farm is located here. Use google maps and search for Torp Vanse.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 13/08/2015 18:34:43 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2015 : 18:50:30
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Teodor Torp b 1873 registering to depart Stavanger 11 May 1928:
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Edited by - JaneC on 13/08/2015 20:29:10 |
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michaelrodriguez
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michaelrodriguez
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 19:18:13
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| Correction, not married to (in fact his wife was UIlla Vilhelmina Ringstrom from Skein as you stated), but his mother was Maren Regina. Is this wrong? Or could his father have remarried? Or maybe a different Teodor Knudsen baptized days after the correct Teodor was born? The plot thickens. This is so interesting to me. Thank you all for helping me!!! |
-Mike |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2015 : 19:27:37
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Theodor's father was Knud Andreas Knudsen (1827-1904). In 1861, he married Anne Katrine Nilsdatter Hananger (1833-1910). Knud & Anne had the following children:
1. Karoline Amanda b. 08 Sep 1862 (died young)
2. Kristian Adolf b. 19 Jan 1864
3. Nikolai Severin b. 14 Aug 1866
4. Kristine Amalie b. 20 Dec 1868 -> USA
5. Jørgine Marie b. 21 May 1871
6. Theodor Alfred b. 27 May 1873.
7. Karl August b. 27 Aug 1875, d. 1896. unmarried sailor.
8. Alvilda Severine b. 26 Jul 1877.
9. Olaf Emil b. 24 Apr 1880 |
Edited by - jwiborg on 13/08/2015 23:03:27 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2015 : 19:52:57
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Hi michaelrodriguez, the trick is to amass USA records and Norway records and the two should "match." Of course, there are always mistakes and discrepancies, but basically we're looking for matches in USA and Norway records. Do you have Theodor's death record? Or naturalization papers? Or anything that states his birth date?
1900 Norway Census - Theodor is already grown and gone.
1900 on Torp, in Vanse
Knud Andreas Knudsen 1827 Vanse herred* Hf g Gaardbruger selveier b
Anne Katrine Nilssen 1834 Vanse herred* Hm g Gaardbrugerkone b
Nikolai Severin Knudsen 1866 Vanse herred* S ug Styrmand b
Nikolai is a seaman.
Link
A 1905 migration, below. Indexed on Ancestry.com. Or try Ellis Island website to find same.
New York, Passenger Lists
Port of Departure: Christianssands
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: United States
Arrival Date: 26 Jun 1905
Name: Theodor Torp , age 32
Birth Date: abt 1873
Birth Place: Vanse Sogn
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian, Norway
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Edited by - JaneC on 13/08/2015 20:26:54 |
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michaelrodriguez
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 19:54:24
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jwiborg,
You may have mentioned this, but where are you getting this amazing info from? Is it online? And the book "Gard og folk", Farm history book for Farsund, is this available for purchase or to view online?
I would like to find out more about teodor's sister Kristine Amalie (was she ever married?)
Also the surname Hananger, is that a farm name? Any idea where that is? I will follow up with my own research, but you have found out more in a few minutes than I have found out in years of research. Thank you so much!
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2015 : 20:03:12
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I guess that one's for jwiborg!
Theodor Knudsen Torp 1873-1946
Gravestone
1900 US Census (indexed on Ancestry.com)
Chicago Ward 16, Cook, Illinois
Ellen St John 33
Jennie St John 13
Thorald Thorp 22
Theodore Thorp 27 lodger b May 1873 Norway, to USA 1892 cabinet maker
Jacob Wige 23
Emanuel Hanson 50
Birth on Family Search website
Christine Amalie Knud Andreasdatter
12 Dec 1868
Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Parents: Knud Andreas Knudsen and Anne Cathrine Nielsdr
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH48-BVL
Seemingly the 1910 census got her year of birth wrong... |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/08/2015 20:27:18 |
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michaelrodriguez
Starting member
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2015 : 20:15:51
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JaneC,
The info you are providing is amazing too! I didn't mean to ignore you I am very sorry.
The info you provided about his parents is super!
I actually ran across the same record in the digital archives but had no connection to teodore with these names. Now I kjnow they are his parents, that makes a lot of sense. I actually did find the gravestone online too. Thank you! It was the key I needed to get his birth day correct. I did not see the 1905 migration record. Where did you find that? You guys obviously have a tremondous amount of experience researching Norwegian records. My family is very mixed ( as you can see from my last name) so i have had to learn history and research techniques for various countries. i am just starting to get a little better with norwegian records. And my norwegian is improving a little. Thanks again for all the help!! |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2015 : 20:25:52
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Love the last name. No worries.
;D
Wondering what database or other umbrella source was used is a good question. I returned to my posts and added that.
Couple sites we haven't yet used:
Italian Genealogy Group website for historic births, marriages, deaths, NYC area (not just for Italians)
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Illinois Cyberdrive Genealogy Records
Link
You have this - but here for the thread is a Family Search link for the exact birth dates of children of Knud Andreas Knudsen and Ane Catrine Nilsdatter.
Link
Since Kristine Amalie b 20 Dec 1868 is said to have gone to USA, she may be in Illinois, where her brother Christian is (and maybe others)?
U.S. Passport Applications (Ancestry.com)
Name: Christian A Thorp
Birth Date: 19 Jan 1864
Birth Place: Torp Near Farsund, Norway
Age: 56
Passport Issue Date: 17 Aug 1920
Passport Includes a Photo: Yes
Residence: Brookfield, Illinois
Father Name: Knud Knudsen Thorp
Father's Birth Location: Norway
Father's Residence: Deceased |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/08/2015 20:44:07 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 13/08/2015 : 22:24:11
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The book I refered to was Volume 2 of Listaboka:
Title: Listaboka Volume II, Gard og folk
Author: Kåre Rudjord
Published: 1981
Due to copyright licenses, the book is only available online from Norway. It is available for purchase and should be available for rental from a genealogy library.
Regarding Hananger: You should look at the map and make yourself familiar with the neighboring farms to Torp. If you look at the above map, you will see the Hananger lake to the left of the Torp farm. And on the other side of the lake, you will see the Hananger district and farm. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 13/08/2015 22:27:22 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/08/2015 : 22:52:06
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The marriage from Ancestry.com per Jan Peters info
Knud Andreas Knudsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Knud Andreas Knudsen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 8 nov 1861
Marriage Place: , Lista, Vest-Agder, Norway
Spouse: Anne Katrine Nilsdr
FHL Film Number: 311276
Original record here See number 22.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=961&idx_id=961&uid=ny&idx_side=-271
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Edited by - AntonH on 13/08/2015 22:55:48 |
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AntonH
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Relatives in Farsund, Lista
