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breakfree
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 Posted - 27/08/2015 : 23:57:27
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Johanne Torstensen (Tostensdatter) was born 31 Dec 1822, Sandefjord, Vestford, Norway in 1849 at the Sandar Church, Sandefjord, she married Anders Iversen (he was a Seaman who drowned in 1869).
she was last seen as Johanne Iversen on the 1910 census with her son Søren Andersen and family, word is that she died sometime around 1912 at the ripe old age of 90 (not an uncommon milestone with regards her descendents :)
i'm also trying to find deaths for 3 of her 7 children (the other 4 have been accounted for in Norway, USA and New Zealand):
Iver Thorvald Andersen born 22 Mar 1849, Langestrand, Larvik, Vestfold, Norway (last seen in Kristiania in 1910)
Søren Andersen born 2 Mar 1852, Langestrand, Larvik, Vestfold, Norway (last seen in Larvik in 1910), we found his wife was buried in 1928 in Larvik so they were still around that neck of the woods then :)
Anne Kirstine Andersen born 4 Jul 1858, Langestrand, Larvik, Vestfold, Norway (last seen in a picture taken in 1873)
can anybody help me with regards to finding Johanne's (or her childrens) death/s? it would be most appreciated.
cheers
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Edited by - breakfree on 28/08/2015 20:25:36 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 15:58:55
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Dec. 23. 1869.
"Sømand" Seaman Anders Iversen b 1811 from Langestrand "Druknede fra en Baad, Liget ikke gjenfundet" Drowned from a boat, the corpse not found #142
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 17:02:05
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Sad, Kåre.
Sounds like the portrait of Anne Kirstine is a confirmation portrait. Have you checked the baptisms of siblings' children for godparent names?
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breakfree
Junior member
New Zealand
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 17:46:04
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thank you all for your hints thus far, and thanks for the translations, my Norwegian is next to zero - sorry!
i was particularly pleased to have a confirmation of death for poor Anders Iversen (not that i was pleased that he died/drowned leaving 7 kids so young without a father and poor Johanne without her husband), the whole not knowing is one of those things that has annoyed me. They do however have his age wrong from what we saw on the 1865 census he was born c1822, and we have a record for him for
Name: Anders Iversen
Gender: Male
Christening date: 20 Jan 1822
Christening place: LANGESTRAND, LARVIK, VESTFOLD, NORWAY
Residence: Larvik, Vestfold, Norway
Birth date: 15 Dec 1821
Father name: Iver Sorensen
Mother name: Maren Anne Eliasdr
his father was also living in 1865, although by this time the mother had died and the dad had re-married. at this stage it appears Anders was an only child...
good idea i will check those christening records.
i'm not sure about the confirmation picture theory, there were a group of family photos taken (thankfully they were able to do so), is this something that was usual practice for such times?? |
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 20:19:28
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A small correction;Anders Iversen is rec. as "Sømand" Seaman and not fisherman both in the 1865 census and on his death record.
Oldest son Søren was b. in Langestrand March 2. 1852, rec. as born 1853 in the 1885 census for Langestrand living with his mother, widow Johanne Iversen.
Both Søren and a brother Johannes were sailors/seamen.
Søren was "Fraværende" Absent in 1885
Place of living 1885: Nedredamsbaken 31a, todays Nedre Damsbakken in Langestrand
Nedre Damsbakken today
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 21:03:30
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Originally posted by breakfree
there was mention of a farm named "Ovre Gogstad" in Sandefjord
Øvre Gokstad, a beautiful farm link was sold 2008 for 12 million Kroner.
After the Protestant Reformation 1537 the farm was owned by the king.
The Gokstad ship was found on one of the Gokstad farms 1880.
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breakfree
Junior member
New Zealand
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Posted - 29/08/2015 : 03:48:07
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all i can say is WOW what a lovely farm indeed - a little bit out of my price range by a couple of million $NZ otherwise i'd buy it back :)
as for the ship - that left me all kinds of speechless - have done a bit of reading up about it online, this burial mound, i wonder what made them decide to dig it up??
that 1885 link is interesting in that several of Johanne's children are missing (i know her daughter Jakobine was in NZ by then well on her way to creating a legacy which im proud to be part of :)
i had a look through the burial records for Larvik and Langestrand and can't find Johanne after the 1910 census, don't tell me she lived after the 1920 cut off point and made it to 100? or had she gone somewhere else? - i thought we wouldve had her death date well before anything showed up on her husband - how wrong was i ? :) |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/08/2015 : 05:01:49
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Anders Iversen birth 15 December 1821, baptism 20 January 1822, Langestrand in Larvik, Vestfold
Permanent sidelenke
What does buy it back mean? Did someone in your family line own Øvre Gokstad at one time?
Johanne Iversen b 1822 - I did take a look for her death, as you did.
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breakfree
Junior member
New Zealand
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Posted - 29/08/2015 : 05:14:36
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yes Anders Iversen lived there, but i suspect he was only boarding as that looks far too swish for a mere sailor to own - unless he was some kind of wealthy sailor :)
thanks, we knew when Anders was born and that in 1825 he was living with his grandparents |
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JaneC
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Posted - 29/08/2015 : 05:19:48
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Yes, you posted a transcription of his birth. Sometimes we'll post an original record for other reasons than just to fill out a tree. Usually the purpose is to harvest more information from it, in this case a more precise location for the family (a place within, smaller than, Langestrand in Larvik). I also wanted to look at Anders's father's occupation in the birth record - think it says "day laborer." Where did you see a reference to that farm in Anders life?
Is the family mentioned in the local bygdebok? I don't have access...
Sorry I didn't find Johanne death. |
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breakfree
Junior member
New Zealand
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Posted - 29/08/2015 : 07:04:28
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I think this link clearly proves that someone was leading me up the garden path with the Ovre Gogstad link - i can see how they would be confused though given this Gogstad family had similar names going on, shame they were out by location and age :)
http://www.rydjord.slektsweb.no/family.php?famid=F30065&ged=GedkomOsvald.GED
my apologies for misinformation |
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breakfree
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New Zealand
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Posted - 29/08/2015 : 07:29:22
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| thanks JaneC - it is great to see the actual file/s - everyones help is most appreciated - it does beg me to question if Anders had any siblings, so i will pursue looking for them as well. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/08/2015 : 13:45:26
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Ah yes, I see. Trees can mislead us. On the other hand, sometimes a tree points in the right direction. It's good to check them out. You posted a transcription of a birth record for an Anders; the original birth record for that Anders says his parents are Iver Sørensen and Maren Anne Eliasdatter, born 15 December 1822 baptized 20 January 1822 "i kirken" (in church) at Langestrand i Larvik. That said, I don't know if he is your Anders; I'm taking your word on that. The family you described at the outset fits with this family in 1865 (see link), with an Anders Iversen 1822, so the birth record you chose is consistent with that. Iver b 1849 is missing in the 1865, but he's old enough to be living and working away from home.
The original marriage record of Anders and Johanne should say his father is Iver Sørensen; the marriage record points to the birth record.
I'll take a stab at reading the godparents' names.
Sømand (seaman) Johannes Larsen's wife Inger Johanne Eliasdatter, unmarried woman Anne Karine Andersen, sømand Frantz Larsen, --?-- Hans Jacob Larsen, gaardskarl (farm hand) Jacob Andersen, day laborer Lars Sørensen.
Godparents' names sometimes refer to family members, and can help you get a trace on siblings to the new parents. You'll notice the trends in the godparents above. The godparents for Anders's children can help you understand Anders's siblings - for example, if you find a sibling born to the same parents, then find him/her as a godparent (or in a probate etc), you learn more about the sibling - farm name perhaps, spouse perhaps, and on and on.
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jkmarler
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JaneC
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Posted - 29/08/2015 : 21:59:41
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First Marriage for Søren Andersen born 2 Mar 1852, to Anne Karoline Mathiasdatter. Occupation for both Søren and his father is sømand:
1886
Source: Vestfold fylke, Langestrand i Larvik, Klokkerbok nr. II 3 (1867-1899), Ekteviede 1886, side 372
Where was Søren's wife (Nikoline) buried? Perhaps Søren is buried same place, or beside one of his children. |
Edited by - JaneC on 29/08/2015 22:24:20 |
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Torstensen/Iversen/Andersen - Norway
