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lolamoore
Starting member
Canada
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 Posted - 14/09/2015 : 16:26:42
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I can't seam to find the boat manifest that my grandfather Emil olsen brother Wilhelm olsen went to Seattle on? any information on him did he stay in Seattle and settle down. War records? marriage records childern any thing will help.
thanks Lola |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2015 : 18:53:13
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Hi Lola, here is a record of a Wilhelm Olsen leaving Norway in 1906. He looks like your Wilhelm. Click on this link:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000001078210
Departure date: 16 March 1906
Departing from Kristiania (Kristiania is an old name for Oslo)
Passenger on the ship Montebello
Wilhelm Olsen
Age 20
Unmarried
Residence: Skouger
Destination: Canada
About 12 years later, Wilhelm was in Seattle, Washington, USA We know this because of a World War II draft enlistment record. The record tells his full birth date, which matches your Wilhelm. The record says he is unmarried. He registered with the Norwegian consulate as his address. So I guess maybe he is traveling all the time. He doesn't have his own home in Seattle. At least, that's what I think the record means.
After that, no one in the forum could find him. I did find some death records in Washington for Wilhelm Olsen and William Olsen, but there are quite a few. The records online that I saw were incomplete. It is impossible to tell which William is yours. We need birth date, or parents' names, or some other clue to show if it is your William. Maybe none of them is the right William. That is my guess, in fact.
For those Washington death records I saw, you have to order the record to see all of it. This costs money. You might order quite a few records and spend that money, and still maybe not find the right William. I can't speak for other listers, but this is why I let the matter drop.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2015 : 19:06:11
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For Wilhem Olsen, jkmarler posted the emmigration record on page 1 on your earlier query about Emil Konstatin Olsen as well as his WWI Registration Card. Look at the middle of the page.
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6201&whichpage=1
Wilhelm Olsen
in the U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Wilhelm Olsen
City: Seattle
County: King
State: Washington
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1886
Race: White
Draft Board: 06
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2015 : 19:17:02
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As Jane and Jackie pointed out in their posts he used the Norwegian Consulate as his permantent address. So it is possible that he was employed as a seaman out of the port of Seattle. Here is a record for a Wilhelm Olsen working as a seaman out of the port of Seattle in 1914. Birth year is close.
Wilhelm Olsen
in the Washington, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1961
Name: Wilhelm Olsen
Race/Nationality: USA
Birth Date: 1887
Port of Departure: Mogi, Japan
Arrival Age: 27
Arrival Date: 3 Apr 1914
Port of Arrival: Seattle, Washington
Ship Name: Thode Fagelund
Line Number: 30
This is the only record for Wilhelm Olsen as a seaman out of the west coast ports. However there are five more records for a Wiliam Olsen born 1886 or 1887. It is possible that he Americanzied his name from Wilhelm to William. Here is one of those records.
Name: William Olsen
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Scandinavian
Birth Date: 1886
Port of Departure: Port Alice, British Columbia
Arrival Age: 47
Arrival Date: 15 Sep 1933
Port of Arrival: Port Townsend, Washington
Ship Name: Sagadahoc
Line Number: 5 |
Edited by - AntonH on 14/09/2015 19:44:35 |
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lolamoore
Starting member
Canada
17 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2015 : 19:30:54
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| wilhelm olsen was born in 1885 in norway his parents were oluf olsen and regine olsen or anne regine marcusdatter was her maiden name. so if he was a sea man won't their be someplace i can find records on who he worked for? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2015 : 19:48:07
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Following up on the thought that perhaps Wilhelm changed his name to William, there is this William Olsen from the 1920 US Census. He is listed as arriving in 1906 and his occupation is listed as Fireman and At Sea.
William
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: William
[William Olsan]
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1920: Index, Snohomish, Washington
Street: Avenue A
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1906
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: Norwegian
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Fireman
Industry: At Sea
Employment Field: Wage or Salary
Home Owned or Rented: Rent
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Olsen 33
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2015 : 19:51:50
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I like the finds, Anton.
The 1914 voyage you posted, that Wilhelm is on a ship called the Thode Fageman. Might be this ship:
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?1078
In the 1918 World War I draft record, Wilhelm is a marine fireman. This record is definitely the right man.
In the 1920 census, that William is a fireman at sea.
Lola, here in the Norway Heritage Forum, I have never seen one single way to research a seaman. Instead, the forum tries to pick up clues here and there. Ancestry.com is probably the website Anton is using. You can join, and look yourself, but there is a fee.
A free website for you is Washington State Digital Archives. There you can search marriage and death records for Wilhelm Olsen or William Olsen. |
Edited by - JaneC on 14/09/2015 20:03:08 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2015 : 20:15:15
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Perhaps he was in Canada for some time after his 1906 emmigration. Here is a William Olsen travelling from Canada to Seattle. He lists his father as Olaf Olsen of Drammen Norway. Lists his previous address as Mill Corrd (sp?) B.C.
William Olsen
in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
Name: William Olsen
Arrival Date: Aug 1913
Port of Arrival: Blaine, Washington, USA
Residence Country: Canada
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1886
Birth Country: Norway
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Scandinavian
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 15 |
Edited by - AntonH on 14/09/2015 20:17:23 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2015 : 20:17:21
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You are on a roll!
I didn't find a Wilhelm, William in the "old man" draft registration for World War II, born on Wilhelm's birth date.
Similar Wilhelms below, birth year varies - seemingly it's one ongoing trek on the Seirstad.
Washington, Passenger and Crew Lists (from Ancestry.com)
Wilhelm Olsen, age 37
Race/Nationality: Scandinavian
Birth Date: 1887
Occupation: Sailor
Port of Departure: Kobe, Japan
Port of Arrival: Tacoma, Washington
Arrival Date: 18 Jan 1924
Ship Name: Seirstad
Line Number: 6
Washington, Passenger and Crew Lists
Wilhelm Olsen, age 41
Race/Nationality: Scandinavian
Birth Date: 1883
Port of Departure: Kobe, Japan
Port of Arrival: Seattle, Washington
Arrival Date: 13 Apr 1924
Ship Name: Seirstad
Line Number: 6
Washington, Passenger and Crew Lists
Wilhelm Olsen, age 42
Race/Nationality: Scandinavian, Norwegian
Occupation: Sailor
Birth Date: 1882
Port of Departure: Yokohama, Japan
Port of Arrival: Seattle, Washington
Arrival Date: 28 Jun 1924
Ship Name: Seirstad
Line Number: 6
New York, Passenger Lists (Ancestry.com
Wilhelm Olsen, age 42
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Birth Date: abt 1882
Port of Departure: Vancouver
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Arrival Date: 6 Dec 1924
Ship Name: Seirstad
Occupation: sailor
Tattoos on each arm
Lola, here are some databases to search that might show Wilhelm - a long shot:
Link
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lolamoore
Starting member
Canada
17 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2015 : 16:32:54
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| Thanks everyone for all your help. I was just wondering if anyone can find a death certificate for Wihelm Olsen or Willam Olsen in Seattle are? Thanks Jane C but the link you sent me to is all in Norweigen and i don't speak it or read it any where i can get that in english. thanks |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2015 : 20:17:45
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Hi, here's another link, similar but with fewer databases. These are databases of Norwegians who died abroad. Since Wilhelm travelled as,a sailor, he might have died just about anywhere.
Click on a database.
Select "Forenamn" (first name) or "Etternamn" (last name) in first box.
Select "er lik" in middle box.
Type in what you want - Wilhelm or William etc.
Click Søk (search).
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/WebMeta.exe?slag=vismeny&fylkenr=21&knr=&katnr=4&aar=&dagens=&emnenr=4
Below, link to Washington State Digital Archives so you can search it. Tried this already but worth another try.
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/
Other websites you can try: Family Search (free), Find a Grave (free), Ancestry.com (fee).
I know more than one person has tried to find Wilhelm's death. Maybe you'll have better luck. |
Edited by - JaneC on 18/09/2015 21:18:30 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2015 : 21:13:08
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
For those Washington death records I saw, you have to order the record to see all of it. This costs money. You might order quite a few records and spend that money, and still maybe not find the right William.
Hi Lola, here's a note I wrote earlier about Washington State Digital Archives. I guess it's up to you whether you'd like to order any of the death records that might be William. |
Edited by - JaneC on 18/09/2015 21:15:39 |
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lolamoore
Starting member
Canada
17 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2015 : 19:49:52
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| Thanks everyone |
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