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delyleamundson
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 Posted - 16/05/2016 : 18:20:49
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Does a passenger list exist for the ship Kronprinds Oscar, arriving in Boston June 24, 1844? I have reason to believe that my greatgrandfathers brother was on this ship, along with his wife and three children, namely: Halvor Aadnesen, his wife Gunhild Gregarsdatter, and their children, Ingeborg, Gunhild, and Gregar. If the passenger list does exist, how may one have the list researched? I would also like to read the captains statement regarding illness aboard ship on the journey. The NARA does not list a microfilm containing passenger lists to Boston for the period June 29 September 30, 1844.
Lyle
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/05/2016 : 18:48:39
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It looks like no passenger list exist for Kronprinds Oscar. If we knew where they came from it could be easier to look for them in the migration records in the scanned church books to find out exactly when they em.
Aadne and Gregar names. From Telemark?
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Edited by - Kċarto on 16/05/2016 21:37:53 |
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delyleamundson
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Posted - 16/05/2016 : 20:57:44
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| They arrived in Wisconsin 15 August 1844, according to church records. Four of the five died within six months of that date. Only the daughter, Ingeborg, survived. She was raised by a young couple, also from Telemark. I like to include the emigration ship(s), as well as dates of departure and arrival, in their life history. In this case, I would also like to read the captain's message as to whether he wrote of illness aboard ship. I also wonder if for some reason the port of Boston was closed July - September, 1844 and emigration ships docked at neighboring ports. It seems an arrival date in Boston would not have been recorded if that was the case, however. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 16/05/2016 : 21:08:45
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New York NY Shipping And Commercial List from July 27th 1844 confirms the arrival of barque Kronprinds Oscar on July 24th, departing Porsgrund, Norway. Captain is Arveschoug. The arrival is listed under Boston, Mass.
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delyleamundson
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Posted - 16/05/2016 : 21:19:31
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| jwiborg, you caught my error. Arrival date was July 24, not June 24 as I indicated. Thanks. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/05/2016 : 23:30:34
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Originally posted by Kċarto
It looks like no passenger list exist for Kronprinds Oscar. If we knew where they came from it could be easier to look for them in the migration records in the scanned church books to find out exactly when they em.
Aadne and Gregar names. From Telemark?
Kċre
More about the Konprinds Oscar
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=krosc
Maybe they came from Heddal, Telemark?
http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/a/m/u/Delyle-S-Amundson/index.html
Hi delyleamundson, Kċre is basically asking what is the name of your ancestor (brother to Halvor), and when and where was he born (and who are their parents, if known).
If the forum has this information, someone can search the church book for that parish. The church book has a section for recording the names of people leaving the parish. Kċre called this the migration records. Usually those records include the person's name, age, maybe birth date, and destination. Once that record is found, you will know the date when Halvor and family left home. This date should correspond to the time needed for the family to travel to Porsgrunn and board the proposed ship.
This would be a way to confirm the family could have been on that ship.
Many migration records are not transcribed and can not be found in a digital search. One must go to the church book and hand page through the original hand written records.
That task would take a long time, if one does not know where to begin.
The home parish of this family has to be stated before this work can begin.
Hope that helps... |
Edited by - JaneC on 17/05/2016 03:34:44 |
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Kċarto
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Norway
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Posted - 17/05/2016 : 00:36:37
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You are right Jane, they were from Heddal and em. 1844 to "Nord Amerika".
I have the whole familystory about what happened, probably from Halvors brother Aadne who also em. and a brother Anund who visited the family in USA and returned to Norway.
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delyleamundson
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Posted - 17/05/2016 : 03:25:33
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I have the family history in Norway, seven generations before Halvor. Halvor and family are listed as udflyttede 5 May 1844 in the Heddal Church records book. Much information is incorrect in Norway records, including Hitterdals Boken, regarding the family. They did not die aboard ship. Some Norway records have daughter Gunhild as the only survivor. This is incorrect. They are buried in Holy Innocents Cemetery in the Pine Lake Area, Waukesha County, Wisconsin. I have been to the cemetery. Gregor died 8 Aug, daughter Gunhild died 27 Aug, Halvor died 6 Dec, and mother Gunhild died 10 Jan.
Halvor sold Aasildrud farm before leaving Norway. It had been in the family for at least 8 generations. He was the oldest son of Aadne Aadnesen & Gunhild Halvorsdatter. Halvor's brothers John and Aadne also emigrated to America, after 1844. His other brother, Anund, my great grandfather, already owned Flaata in 1844.
I have two main unknowns in the history of Halvor's family, namely, what ship did they really emigrate on and what happened to Ingeborg?
I think that Ingeborg married Ole Jorgenson in St. Olaf's Church, Ashippun Township, Dodge County, Wisconsin 25 Sep 1853. This is in the Pine Lake area. I am currently waiting for my DNA results from ancestry.com. I am also currently waiting for a descendant of Ole & Ingeborg to get back in contact with me. I will ask him to also establish his DNA with ancestry.com and then I will know if I have followed the correct Ingeborg through the years since 1844.
I am considering visiting Aasilrud again this July. My grandson is going there and he would like me to join him. I know Hans Strand, who lives there and formerly owned the farm. His granddaughter now owns Aasilrud. I know Hans and I am a very good friend with his son, Didrik. Didrik grew up on Aasilrud and heard about the tragic life of little Ingeborg when Didrik was small. The family wondered often what happened to her. Didrik is just as interested in finding out if my information about her is correct.
Ole Holta is in possession of some letters written by Petranella (Nella) Gasmann, who married Ellev Bjĝrnsen and raised Ingeborg. Ellev died in 1850, in Utah, on his way to California during the gold rush. Nella later married Peder Russell in 1855. At one time, Ole Holta was in possession of letters written by Nella back to Tonga telling of her marriage to Peder Russell and the births of two of their sons. I firmly believe that Nella would also have written a letter to Tonga telling of who Ingeborg married or what became of her. I have been unsuccessful in having anyone in Notodden locating such a letter. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 17/05/2016 : 04:01:02
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Wow. Okay, so you had found the date of their departure from Heddal. And perhaps that is the basis of your hypothesis that the family traveled on the Konprinds Oscar, because it is the logical ship to take, leaving Heddal early May (they don't appear on the manifest of the other option)link
A shame the passenger manifest has not survived. |
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delyleamundson
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Posted - 17/05/2016 : 04:48:17
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The departure date coincides well with the udflyttede church date and the arrival date coincides well with the St. Olaf Church arrival date. Also, I have examined many passenger lists for possible emigration ships at that time period with no luck. There were, supposedly, 87 emigrants aboard Kronprinds Oscar when it departed Porsgrunn.
Jane, where did you find that link to my family tree maker information. That is old! My contact information is still correct in that link, except for the email address. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/05/2016 : 09:51:34
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I think the info in Norway is coming from Schoolteacher Anund Aadnesen when he visited Gunhild who had forgotten her Norwegian language and knew very little about her parents and siblings. In add. she was very skeptical to her uncle, thought he was a dishonest person.
O.H.Holta died 1928 and Anund Aadnesen died 1903. Hitterdalboken was published 1926 so we can assume that Holta talked with Anund and wrote down word for word what he had experienced in USA
Anyway, it's a sad story.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 17/05/2016 14:01:34 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/05/2016 : 10:37:42
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Yes, a sad story. Poor little girl, to travel across the ocean away from home and playmates and everyone, to a strange new place, then to have all her immediate family die one after the other.
delyleamundson, the link to your long-ago post came up on Google. Do you prefer I remove it? I certainly can. |
Edited by - JaneC on 17/05/2016 10:41:27 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/05/2016 : 14:16:34
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Emigration to America from Heddal via Porsgrunn was a "short" travel. Down lake Heddalsvannet into a small gently flowing river to the greater Lake Nordsjĝ with hired rowboats. From the outlet of Lake Nordsjĝ dep. port Porsgrunn was connected with a river.
With this information as a starting point, Kronprinds (Crown-prince) Oscar seems to be the correct em. ship.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 17/05/2016 : 14:20:14
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Happy 17. mai
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 17/05/2016 14:20:46 |
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