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eibache
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 Posted - 31/07/2016 : 15:06:44
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What does "out of wedlock" imply?
That they were not married.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2016 : 15:09:46
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Was Olia raised in her father's household? Was she raised by her single mother? Is this situation related to her being a servant at age 16?
Since Olia in 1865 census is a "servant" in her grandfaters household, it is likely to believe she was raised by her gradparents.
Please note that Ingebrigt Johnsen is not the father of Olias mother, my mistake to indicate that earlier. |
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Edited by - eibache on 31/07/2016 20:41:32 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2016 : 15:11:59
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Did this status put individuals at a disadvantage in life?
Sometimes yes, often you find that they moved to other places or emigrated.
This would often be after their confirmation, Olia was confirmated in 1867, see #46.
Olia moved out of Meråker parish to Amerika April 8 1872, see https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/6620/134#17.
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Edited by - eibache on 31/07/2016 19:44:44 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2016 : 17:13:36
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Thank you for the information, and the effort you put into finding it. What does "out of wedlock" imply? Did her mother and father ever marry? Was Olia raised in her father's household? Was she raised by her single mother? Is this situation related to her being a servant at age 16? Did this status put individuals at a disadvantage in life?
The information that I have about Olea in America is limited. She married Johan Hansen in 1877 in Swift county, Minnesota, and then lived on their farm in Pope county, Minnesota. The marriage document lists her father as Peder Olsen and her mother as Marit Engerbretsen, consistent with the information you have discovered. The US census in 1885 lists Marit as a member of the Hansen household. I do not have information about their immigration dates, whether they immigrated together, and whether her father immigrated as well. Are you able to find their immigration dates? Eric
Of course "out of wedlock" means that she was born when her parents were not married = illegimately. Most of your next questions are not likely to be answered in any Norwegian documents - if Olea did not choose to tell that much of her own story then you might never know those answers.
As to when she may have emigrated from Norway... Einar found her listed as leaving Meråker in Øvre Størdal in 1872 there was a finding above in the 1865 Norwegian census which is quite possible to be Olea/Olia in Øvre Størdal and you say she was definitely in Minn. by 1877 - since her birth location in Norway would put her closest to the city/port of Trondheim you'd want to be searching the database of emigrants leaving from that point between 1872 and 1877 first. Available at the Digitalarkivet website.
But have you checked the US censuses which asked what year of immigration to US for her? 1900, 1910 and 1920 at a minimum asked that question. That info will probably help you to narrow down your search.
Perhaps this is the young woman sailing from the port of Trondheim in 1872. Given name altered somewhat by the person making the list -- the residence name is a match and the age is consistent. It may or may not be your ancestor.
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=9785&sokefelt=skjul
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2016 : 19:48:58
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the residence name is a match and the age is consistent. It may or may not be your ancestor.
You can trust that this is your ancestor, changing the first name from Olia to Oline does not mean it is a different person since both residence and age are consistent when leaving Meråker and leaving Trondheim.
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eibache
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Posted - 31/07/2016 : 20:01:35
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The father of Olia Pedersdatter, Peder Olsen Bentz, was also born "out of wedlock" April 15 1831, see #28.
Peder Olsens father was Ole Andersen Bendtz and his mother was Ingeborg Paulsdatter, Ødegaarden, a maiden from Gulbrandsdalen.
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Edited by - eibache on 31/07/2016 20:42:25 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/07/2016 : 22:47:27
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The mother of Olia Pedersdatter, Marit Ingebrigtsdatter, was born Sept 3 1819, see #39.
Her parents were Ingebrigt Olsen, Tømmeraas and Beret Gudmundsdatter. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/08/2016 : 02:58:59
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A possible candidate for the arrival of Olia Pedersdatter to America. From Ancestry.com
Olia Pedersdt
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Olia Pedersdt
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1850
Date of Arrival: 13 May 1872
Vessel: Sweden
Search Ship Database: Search for the Sweden in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/08/2016 : 03:18:26
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Some confirmation of the above data can be found in the marriage of Johan and Olea. The marriage record lists her parents as Peder Olsen and Marit Ingebritsen. For Johan the parents are listed as Hans N Hansen and Ingeborg Hansen.
Olea Pedersen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Olea Pedersen
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: Apr 1877
Marriage Place: Glenwood, Minnesota
Spouse: Johan E Hansen
Church Name: White Bear Lake Lutheran
Church Location: Glenwood, Minnesota
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/08/2016 : 07:06:04
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Ole Andersen Bendtz is most likely the one born Dec 10 1802, see #40 left page.
His parents were Anders Olsen Bentz and Berret Olsdatter.
Anders Olsen Bentz and Berret Olsdatter Dille were married Aug 15 1802, see #17.
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eibache
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Posted - 01/08/2016 : 07:16:05
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Anders Olsen Bentz, his widowed mother and his siblings in 1801.
Anders Olsen Bentz was baptized April 12 1773, see #27.
His parents were Ole Nielsen and Giertrud Pedersdatter.
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ericmhanson
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Posted - 03/08/2016 : 03:08:25
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Thank you for all of this wonderfully detailed information. It is consistent with what know about my relatives. In the 1885 Minnesota census Olia's mother Marit is recorded as being 65 years old. That means she would have been born between June, 1819 and June, 1820, consistent with the birth date you found of September 3, 1819. In both the departure and arrival passenger lists I do not see Marit listed as traveling with Olia. Is there any information about when she immigrated?
Do you have any general information about how immigrant decided on where there were going to go in America? The first Hansen immigrant was the eldest son Niels (Nels in America). He arrived in Quebec in June, 1870. By chance, the US census for the area that he immigrated to was done in August, 1870. He was living in the household of a farm family in Pope county, Minnesota. This family had immigrated about fifteen years previously, and were well established. I assume that arrangements had been made before he immigrated. Would this family have been relatives or friends? Or was there some kind of broker system where individuals who wanted to come to America were matched up with individuals or families already in America? Thanks again. It is very satisfying, even exciting, to learn this information. Eric |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/08/2016 : 15:21:40
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You reference an 1885 MN state census - can you share a working URL link to that finding? Is the older woman, Marit, clearly listed as Olia's mother in that record? What last name is given for her there? any other pertinent info available about her in MN? an obituary? a mention in local newspaper? MN church records?
You could expect that if Marit emigrated from Norway it would probably have been through the city/port of Trondheim, if I recall correctly the earlier emigration info on Olia. A quick check of the database available for anyone to use at the Digitalarkivet website lists over 1700 females with given name Marit (or reasonable spelling variation) leaving from that port between 1867-1930. Somewhere in that group may be the Marit you are curious about. What span of years would she have been most likely to have traveled in? What approximate age should she be listed as in such years? What 'last name' given to the person collecting the list of persons emigrating?
There is no 'general information' about how Norwegian immigrants decided where they were going. The choices were many and varied - and very VERY individual. Start reading the many articles about other immigrants you can find on this website and you'll see. Perhaps 'America letters' from earlier leaving friends or neighbors? Publicity in Norway? A 'package deal' part of the ticket he purchased? As you continue your family research you might find something which helps you decide or at least formulate some possibilities.
There is absolutely no way to comment on whether the family employing Neils when he first arrived were relatives or friends or just employers he found after arriving - a total lack of information provided. You would have to research that family to learn that. I never recommend making assumptions before you actually search for info.
Are you starting to learn to research in the various resources we have earlier provided to you?
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Johan E Hansen b. 1 May 1852
